Ive alway thought that Eva Levante was the gardener and for a bit i was thinking maybe the drifter as the winnower but it never fit right until i realized its Osiris… i think him and eva are brother and sister and both members of the eldritch race. The last collapse created the awoken which are the same dynamic siblings. Both born of light and dark. If you look into Osiris background it says he was a creation of the golden age. And was resurrected by a faulty ghost. So Im wondering. Was humanity responsible for creating both the gardener and winnower? Are we the race that created the witness also?….. and Clovis knows more than we think about all of this.
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This is a very wild theory, but completely based in nothing. We know the Witness came from a species some call the Precursors, which were humanoids on the Traveler’s first planet. So humanity did not create them. We know the Traveler is the Gardener, because the Precursors called it that. They were also the ones who sook a Winnower for their garden to control the chaos of the light. Hence why the found the Veil and tried to link it to the Traveler. I’m all for Eva Levante crazy theories though.