[quote]So what do you recommend it be based on? What is the goal you hope to achieve with that new way? (not trolling generally interested in what folks think PVP is about and how to do it better) I've varied on my feelings on PVP greatly but right now enjoying 6s.[/quote] Straight connection based any skill faces any skill. I can’t even move because my teams just run straight to a posted team one by one and then quit game after game. That’s skilled based and hence so many quits and mercies

[quote][quote]So what do you recommend it be based on? What is the goal you hope to achieve with that new way? (not trolling generally interested in what folks think PVP is about and how to do it better) I've varied on my feelings on PVP greatly but right now enjoying 6s.[/quote] Straight connection based any skill faces any skill. I can’t even move because my teams just run straight to a posted team one by one and then quit game after game. That’s skilled based and hence so many quits and mercies[/quote] My teammates are facing “My Skilled” opponents and can’t compete. They quit and I’m left to do what??? Quit…

Have you actually looked at your d2 tracker ELO ?

how do you have skill based but your teammates don't?

[quote]how do you have skill based but your teammates don't?[/quote] Why do you think people are crying about mercies??! Because the game is giving higher ELO players the edge. Grouping them together more often them spreading them evenly apart.

I noticed something along the lines a few months ago

[quote]I noticed something along the lines a few months ago[/quote] Keep checking your tracker and I bet $10000000 I’m 100% correct from a solo Que player with a 2.05 kd perspective. And please go there hey bro you been quitting games left and right that’s why it’s so low. Well bro how was I supposed to win with the avg ELO always against me and two teammates quit?!!!!

I understand

[quote]I understand[/quote] The only way to combat it is to group up with friends really no matter skill just group lol lol

These are 2 thoughts running in my head from everything you said: 1. You may be at such a higher level that you can only ruin the game for others if its balanced any other way.. so to combat that I would start dividing the classes that can meet up.. you can only meet with these higher level (I guess we'll rank on KD).. but I know the issue may be population.. but still if you divide the game in half by K/D perhaps the matches can be closer. 2. When I find myself in a match where I can just run it (just slayin).. and my random team is clearly in charge.. I actually kinda stop playin.. its not fun anymore.. I kinda let the other team come back a bit.. I do not try to see what is the max kills possible I can achieve cause the lack of skill in the lobby will not help me advance or learn more about the weapon I'm testing (I do not go in with exotic guns ever).. I know some may find that nuts but Control is and totally should be a casual / test / fun mode.. and I wish more players on the top would see it that way... and then we could have a matchmade/freelance competitive 6s also (clash or control)...

[quote]These are 2 thoughts running in my head from everything you said: 1. You may be at such a higher level that you can only ruin the game for others if its balanced any other way.. so to combat that I would start dividing the classes that can meet up.. you can only meet with these higher level (I guess we'll rank on KD).. but I know the issue may be population.. but still if you divide the game in half by K/D perhaps the matches can be closer. 2. When I find myself in a match where I can just run it (just slayin).. and my random team is clearly in charge.. I actually kinda stop playin.. its not fun anymore.. I kinda let the other team come back a bit.. I do not try to see what is the max kills possible I can achieve cause the lack of skill in the lobby will not help me advance or learn more about the weapon I'm testing (I do not go in with exotic guns ever).. I know some may find that nuts but Control is and totally should be a casual / test / fun mode.. and I wish more players on the top would see it that way... and then we could have a matchmade/freelance competitive 6s also (clash or control)...[/quote] That’s what this whole PvP should be. A testing ground for guns you spent countless hours grinding for. I spent 3 days grinding this gun wanna have fun with it in PvP. Okay start a match and you can’t even have fun doing that then you just switch back to your crutch just to stay afloat. How is that fun?!!! It should not be weighted on kd because they are just sitting back letting their teammates go in first not necessarily making the PLAY to win the game. It should be more ELO win weighted as we can all agree if they have higher ELO they prolly got better guns, been to the lighthouse and got all the good things. You can just have a Mida and have a high kd bro…. Quick silver storm, the list goes on…. The fun is winning games. I have more fun with a lower average kd career stat game and win versus a high kd game and losing with 2 leavers…

maybe disable k/d in this mode.. not sure if that would allow more casual play from the tops.. and more learning for the lower tier..

[quote]maybe disable k/d in this mode.. not sure if that would allow more casual play from the tops.. and more learning for the lower tier..[/quote] Yes disable kd as a variable in the algorithm used to group players. That is not a viable variable to use what so ever.

[quote]maybe disable k/d in this mode.. not sure if that would allow more casual play from the tops.. and more learning for the lower tier..[/quote] How? If all skill grouped then you got skilled watching less skilled backs and vice versa. This gives everyone the ability to move around not get team shotted at every angle.

oh no I meant for the mode in general.. if you disable K/D tracking somehow.. still have the mix of players.. but then more about objectives somehow.. ...I mean I do like combat efficiency.. but maybe if you get your weapon report at the end.. just to understand how it did ..haha not sure how to ENFORCE > CASUALNESS lol...

[quote]oh no I meant for the mode in general.. if you disable K/D tracking somehow.. still have the mix of players.. but then more about objectives somehow.. ...I mean I do like combat efficiency.. but maybe if you get your weapon report at the end.. just to understand how it did ..haha not sure how to ENFORCE > CASUALNESS lol...[/quote] Any mode that disables kd and skill would be ideal for a random rng PvP environment