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Edited by Sheogorath :
2/11/2015 2:43:43 AM
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"I think therefore I am" proves nothing to others. It's merely a proof of one's own existence. It's philosophically impossible to prove that anything tangible actually exists outside of the observer's mind.
If I were to believe that all of existence is within my own mind, I wouldn't be "wrong" as it is impossible to prove otherwise.
So what I'm saying is, I can't prove I'm real. I can't prove anything is real.
I can prove that I exist though. Even if I am within a mind or a virtual world, I am forming these words, so "I" exist. What "I" am or whether "I" am something real is not provable
even within the mind, things would still exist. For example, if I am not "real" and only within your mind, then I still exist but only within your mind as you can respond to my stimuli and interact with me. Even if I am "fake" in that sense, I still exist even if only in your mind. Do you see what I'm saying?
I can't prove that I'm a "real" tangible, independent human being, but by merely interacting with you, I'm proving that I exist.
There you go
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I am not looking for "human" being. But rather, the key word on [i]independent[/i]. Independent intelligence. Not a physical. We assume that intelligence requires a physical body, but in reality, intelligence is not a tangible, obtainable thing. It's not observable. So why would it be restricted to the confines of a body?
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Edited by Sheogorath : 2/11/2015 4:37:40 AMIt isn't. It's one of the greatest debates in philosophy, the separation of body(physical) and spirit(intelligence). That's besides my point though. Even if my intelligence is just a product or construct of another intelligence, it still exists. The intelligence typing these words, no matter its form, origin, or location, indeed exists, at least to those who observe it (you being one of those observing) simply due to the fact that it is being observed. This is the proof of my existence. By "observe" I don't mean that you are literally seeing intelligence, but the products of it.
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Edited by A84: 2/11/2015 4:50:34 AMSo what you're saying is that technically you exist whether or not it's your own intelligence or another's. But wouldn't that just mean the intelligence is really the existing one? Since it's the one basically typing and saying the words.
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Exactly. Like an imaginary friend. Although he isn't real, he definitely exists within the mind of whoever it is that is thinking of him. Even if I am within someone else's intelligence and my own intelligence is controlled/produced by the higher intelligence, I still very much exist. [spoiler]this may seem convoluted but I assure you, we're barely scratching the surface. Take some philosophy classes if you ever get the chance, it's a really great experience [/spoiler]
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I dunno. Interesting stuff for sure. Gets you thinking. But it seems like a lot if circular logic. Of course, the internet is a bad place to learn things. Lol
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Edited by Sheogorath : 2/11/2015 5:26:38 AMHaha, Sorry if it seemed circular :) rule no. 1 in philosophy is to have very linear logic. Let me put it this way, Anything that is observed exists to the observer > Something that exists any cannot come from something non-existent > You know that you exist > You observe the writing on your screen(the writing exists) > The writing is a product of something (that also must exist) > That something (whether it stems from your own mind or is independently existent) exists > Therefore, I (that something mentioned above) exist. [spoiler]PS, I meant taking a course in college of some sort or school. Internet courses aren't the same... [/spoiler]
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Edited by A84: 2/12/2015 4:12:46 AMOh I know. But it all seems pretty circular too me. And bases off of assumptions such as that *a* [i]has[/i] to exist to *b* because *b* creates *a* to make *b* believe in *a* so *a* has to exist.
