I'm pretty casual and haven't done much raiding. Yesterday I got into a pug led by a 31 and the rest of us were 32 (well I was a fake 32 with exotic helm and Iron Banner gloves). We struggled a bit learning the fight and the timing for the hunter swordbearer. Several wipes were had. I think only one or two guys had ghorn for the fight. It started to get late, and we were all frustrated and ready to call it quits. The "can you stay for one more run?" was the clincher - we downed crota during enrage and what did I get? Glowhoo Raid helmet I'm still happy - but wish I could get either hunger of crota or ghorn so I can see what all the hype is about. Maxxed out Truth works just fine, btw...