[quote]* don't use rockets cuz I don't have g horn and u mess me up.[/quote] Interesting, last time I checked my titan has a gjallarhorn equipped. [quote]I'm trying to do this as slow as possible[/quote] More people have black hammer than gjallarhorn and that tends to make people use BH instead. The last vog I ran we would have downed him with only one bubble but someone decided to pull out a gjallarhorn and -blam!-ed up the fight and ended up getting himself kicked.