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Edited by Mortug: 2/19/2015 4:53:35 PM
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Behold the reason Gjallarhorn, Thunderlord and many other weapons wont drop for YOU

Most of us are blinded by the holiness of RNGsus. But I'm a sceptic and a non-believer, so I have a theory of why YOU wont get a certain weapon, but others will. Now, we all think that it's all based on RNG, but I don't really think so. I do understand the concept of randomness, but I don't believe that's a fact in this concern. I am gonna use two examples: Player 1: - has Thunderlord and Gjallarhorn - want Ice Breaker and SUROS Player 2: - has SUROS and Ice Breaker - want Thunderlord and Gjallarhorn Player 1 and 2 keeps on grinding for their wanted weapons, but usually get random crap drops. And to top that, they get multiple drops of the exotics they already have. (like me, i've gotten 3 No Land Beyond from Crota) And this is where my theory comes in... Bungie has a system (fixed RNG), that basicly makes it (nearly) impossible for you to get the weapons you are missing. It's like your profile is assigned to certain weapons. Me, I get SUROS all the time. So a simple example for this system would be: "Drops assigned to Player 1: Thunderlord, Gjallarhorn etc" (these are the drops always handed out) "Drops avoided for Player 1: Ice Breaker, SUROS, etc" ( these are the drops that might never happen) (same with Player 2,3,4,5,6,7, infinity) I know there are many RNGsus followers out there, and by all means, praise him! But me, I'm not fooled by this non-sense anymore. Just like anything else, Bungie likes to control the community, so they control RNG as well. Yeah, I know, Bungie started selling Ice Breaker, which was hard to get for many of us. But that was also their decision. Why do you think it became available shortly after CE? To soothe the masses to keep them playing. Conclusion: Players will always get the same drops, and will most likely never get that one thing they are missing (in my case Gjallarhorn). Hope i made sense. I've been thinking about this for a long time, but never been able to put a word to it. Maybe i wasn't able now either... I might be wrong, but I'm sure my points makes it clear enough. [b]*edit 1*[/b] I see many say they have all Exotics, and asks me to explain that. Well, that's cause Bungie decided that your profile, amongst others, could. That's why. [b]*edit 2*[/b] *sigh* This wasn't actually meant to be a post about weapons never dropping, cause they can. It's just that it is controlled by Bungie. Sure, some of you have played for 500 hours and finally gotten a certain weapon. But because the community is continously growing, Bungie decides to hand out X amount of, ie, GHs a day, but still manage to control the weapon flow. [b]*edit 3*[/b] People seem to be believe I'm saying stuff never drops. If it says that somewhere in my post (I've tried to reword myself), that's not what I'm saying. Please, read my post over again, especially "edit 2". [b]*edit 4*[/b] Well, I expected a lot of flaming since my so called theory is far fatched, flawed and simply crappy :P I've tried my best to answer most posts I've seen fit. Thankfully most have been serious posts. Some not. I am now going to get a beer and my whisky bottle, sit down, and play some Strikes. Will check in later to see if this is still alive. Hopefully I will prove myself wrong and get GH tonight... hrhrhhr

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  • I've always thought this, in fact it just makes too much sense to me. I really think that while everything in this game is in fact rng, it's heavily weighted rng for bungies agenda. I mean plenty of people only still grind out this game for the last few items they can't seem to get, I get vex mythoclast like every 3-4th atheon kill while my friend who has done atheon like 2.5x more than me remains vexless.

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    • I have Thunderlord, Gjallarhorn, SUROS & Ice Breaker...

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    • Something that is interesting about an RNG based reward system is that there is no such thing as a truly random number. Whatever algorithm Bungie is using to generate numbers was still programmed by (very smart) people, and due to this programming fall short of true randomness, but still pass a statistical threshold for unpredictability. I had an icebreaker drop in Iron Banner yesterday, do you think Xur takes refunds? I kept the receipt...

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      • Edited by Hektik: 2/19/2015 11:53:16 AM
        I have to agree. I have had 6 suros, 4 Midas, and those are the only exotic guns that have dropped for me. Those odds seem... Odd.

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      • Your not the only one who doesn't believe in RNG. Some people have a hard time understanding what the word RANDOM means, then they follow up with weighted petcentages basically contradicting themselves left and right. Whatever the loot system is, its not random.

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        • It feels rigged but it's not. As players collect more weapons the chances of getting that 1 weapon they want decreases because they could now get duplicates of the weapons they've already gotten so essentially your drop chance gets smaller and smaller as it dwindles down to only needing 1 or 2 weapons

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          • I thought I'd never get monte carlo I do have one now. It just takes a hell of a grind.

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          • Bungie has granular control of EVERY aspect of this game. Xur is definitely not RNG, despite what they insist is not true. They might as well offer everything through Xur, because this game is slowly circling the drain. I've pretty much stopped playing for now, except to help friends out, as it has become some repetitive and boring. I'm waiting for HOW..It is is paid for after all. After that, who knows. The forums are still fun though. Hilariously Good Stuff..!!!

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            • I have every exotic barring the thorn and pocket infinity and that's only coz I can't be arsed to do the bounties

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            • This is dumb.

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            • Don't know about all that. I do own all exotics except Necrochasm.

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            • Maybe, but I have every exotic bar truth and necro so explain that

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            • I've got IB Suros and galla but not thunderlord

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            • Could be true considering I have 9x vexs , 6, red deaths , 6 Monte Carlos and haven't received another gjallahorn since the day I sadly sharded it :(

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            • Edited by YahyaTV: 2/19/2015 11:36:37 AM
              RNG is random as name suggests, I have all exotic barring necro, I've had about 12 Vex MC, 8 Suros, 6 Dragons Breath, 6 No Land Beyond. RNG probability is however unlikely to be equally distributed, I believe you are more likely to get DLC weapons.

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            • I have two Thunderlords

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            • I'm missing 4th horseman and Monte Carlo.... Also necrochasm. But I have also had 10 truths xD

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              • Not sure what you are talking about... I got my 3rd gjallarhorn in the nightfall this week, crota gave me my 2nd red death, I have suros, vex, mida, icebreaker x2,

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                • I have every exotic except Necrochasm. But I really do not believe in all the pure RNG thing. Of course Bungie has a system to keep as many people as possible playing for a long time to get a desired weapon. I don't think there are that many people who have all exotics, otherwise the playerbase would fall off very fast if everybody got what they wanted. I also made an interesting (subjective of course) observation concerning exotic drops: Everytime I concluded an exotic bounty (I'm happy to receive the SGA bounty all the time, easy to finish) more exotics seemed to drop from CE, VOG etc. The week I concluded 2 bounties on two of my three chars, I received Hawkmoon and Red Death, the only two exotic weapons-except Negrospasm- that didn't drop for me so far at that point. Just a personal observation though, but keep on doin' the exotic bounties and see if it leads to more exotic drops...

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                • I've been playing since September and just got gjallarhorn two days ago!! I think it's just random... May be your playstyle have an incidence on RNG...

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                • I've got all 4 :p and I've only been playing since January

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                  • Your theory is seriously flawed since I have all those exotics and have been giving every exotic weapon in the game thru rewards and loot drops. And I am far from the only person I know who could tell you the same thing. It's random some peoples luck is in some peoples is out your overthinking it way too much.

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                    • The only duplicate exotics I have ever received (barring exotic bounty) is universal remote and hawekmoon, I've had 2 of each. Check my profile I believe 15 or maybe 16 individual exotic (non bounty) weapons since November.

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                    • Was thinking the same thing

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                    • This would work except for the fact that I have all exotics minus Universal Remote. I have had countless Thunderlords and Suros, I also have 3 Gjallarhorns as well. I believe it's truly RNG.

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                      • What about the people that have every gun

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