Yea there both pretty new school Total War, this one just came out on the 17th, its got some nice old school additions like the family tree and such. The Multiplayers always alive and kicking, it's probably my favourite stategy because just like Tzu Suns Art of war says you can never go into battle with a set plan or strategy because you never know how things will unfold, its all about thinking on your feet!! Or chair...