Hahahahaha!!!
Micro-evolution (aka Adaptions): small inter-species changes, usually reversible.
Macro-evolution (aka Evolution): the change from one species to another.
One is proven true, and the other is bogus. I'll give you a hint; Darwin observed one on the Galapagos Isles and made up the other.
How can something be fact if there is no solid, non-disputable evidence supporting it?
But I guess it does not matter. As long as you believe the lie and keep spreading it, maybe one day people will believe it to be true without evidence.
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You obviously embody your lattermost statement.
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I have evidence. You simply do not believe my evidence because you don't want to believe in the existence of supernatural powers.
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There is no evidence of supernatural powers
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There is no micro and macro evolution, they are the same thing
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You wanted examples of macro evolution... Here are plenty. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-speciation.html
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I'm not seeing the missing link there. Also, if you want to post a huge papers, at least point to the area of reference.
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Edited by nucleartestbunny: 3/18/2015 8:49:01 PMYou want a missing link look in the mirror. Otherwise you would be an exact clone of your parents. Those are examples of speciation speciation is macroevolution so yes we have observed macro evolution. Read through the whole thing educate yourself. I'm also just going to point no matter how many missing links I show you are just going to say hey look there's even more holes in the fossil record. But if you want living examples of missing links check out the monotremes, the echidna and platypus. I know you'll spout some bullshit even then because your an idiot and it would erode your faith (which honestly if you think accepting evolution will overturn your religion, your faith is kind of lacking anyways and you are probably going to hell). But hey I'm just here to make you evolution deniers and creationist look stupid.
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*Looks in the mirror* Woah! I'm human! Not looking like my parents is not micro-evolution. I am not better than my parents, nor am I fundamentally different mentally or physically. My genome is comprised of dominant and recessive genes from my parents. There is no mutation or adaption that makes me not human. Also I find it funny that you called me a creationist or mentioned religion because I never said anything about intelligent design or religion. I only pointed out some MAJOR flaws in evolutionary theory. This leads me to believe that you assume that anyone who disagrees with you or even questions the drivel that is spoon fed to you in dummy public school education must be a religious nut job or crazy creationist instead of the rational and critical thinker that they really are. Like they say in China: [spoiler]in China, you can question your Darwin, but you cannot question your government. In America, you can question your government, but you cannot question your Darwin. [/spoiler]
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Sure... With a name like heavens record your not religious. Fine I'll bite... However I could still tell your assertions come straight from answers in genesis which means you have either been misled, or you are full of bullshit. Just the fact that you'd say something like that shows you do not actually understand evolutionary theory because you are grossly misrepresenting it from the start.
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First off, It's Heavens Remors, not heavens record (L2Read). Second, I never said I wasn't religious. I stated that I never brought it up in any of my previous posts and that you are making an assumption in order to attack my creditability instead of defending your belief. Third, I know enough about evolutionary theory to see the obvious flaws in it. These flaws are more critical to evolution than the flaws in other theories or ideas. Fourth, I'm a rational and critically thinking guy. I'm an engineer for crying out loud. Math and science is my job, but even if you are rational, you need solid, concrete, and undeniable evidence to back it up. Evolution does not have that kind of evidence.
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[quote]First off, It's Heavens Remors, not heavens record (L2Read). Second, I never said I wasn't religious. I stated that I never brought it up in any of my previous posts and that you are making an assumption in order to attack my creditability instead of defending your belief. Third, I know enough about evolutionary theory to see the obvious flaws in it. These flaws are more critical to evolution than the flaws in other theories or ideas. Fourth, I'm a rational and critically thinking guy. I'm an engineer for crying out loud. Math and science is my job, but even if you are rational, you need solid, concrete, and undeniable evidence to back it up. Evolution does not have that kind of evidence.[/quote] 1 What can I say auto correct is a bitch... 2 I could make that that logical connection based strictly on the propaganda you are trying to spread. Guess what I was right. 3 If you knew enough about evolutionary theory you wouldn't be vastly misrepresenting it and misunderstanding it. You obviously don't know shit. I'm going to point out though that to become theory you must first be able to have a testable hypothesis. Creationism can't even generate a testable hypothesis. Only after many hypothesis are test, and supporting data found allowing it provide make predictions and to have application in many fields of study does it become theory. Creationism meets none of these criteria, because it can't even make it past the point of having a testable hypothesis. If you were really as educated as you claimed you would see this. 4 evolution does have that. I want to know what does engineering have to do with biology. Unless you were a genetic engineer, in which case you would not only would actually understand evolution but you would also be applying it in your field of study. The thing I find most amusing is creationists put out a petition, which they had signed by "scientists". The thing is these scientist actually weren't scientist, most of them were engineers like yourself who didn't even have a degree in a field of study that evolution applied in. Many didn't even have real degrees, having either honorary degrees from religious schools or a degree from one of the many degree mills. In response to this petition the scientific community put out a similar petition in support of evolution however they did something unique. To give creationists a chance your name had to be some form of steve (Stephan, Stefan, stefanie, etc). Even with this self imposed handicap could you guess whose petition had more signatures. There is a 99.97% consensus in the scientific community in regards to the factual basis of evolution, not even one tenth of 1% deny it. They use it everyday they apply it. Are you saying that the vast majority of scientist are less rational then you are? Especially considering scientists know better then to try and let anything but the raw data shape the conclusion whereas creationism you start with the conclusion and cherry pick data to make it fit. So you feel you are more rational then 99.97% of the scientific community, but you are the one who talks to your imaginary friend even though there is no direct evidence to even show he exists. Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with having faith but when you use it as grounds to start a crusade against the truth and to teach lies then their is a huge problem. I suggest mr. Engineer that you revisit your study of evolution in a more rational context free of your initial religious bias. I can tell by what you have posted that you do not actually understand the theory of evolution. That you like many others started with the conclusion and are trying to make the data fit (not rational at all).
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Edited by Delta E27: 3/17/2015 5:34:32 PMMacro evolution is micro evolution on a longer time scale. It's pretty clear you don't actually know what you're talking about
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Micro evolution actually is a cumulative effect, leading to macro evolution. Small mutations occur in the genes of one animal. If that animal has favorable genes, then it will survive. Natural selection leads to all evolution.
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First, GJ at kind of necro-bumping my post... Second, read the rest of the thread b4 you post something that others have posted. Third, irreducible complexity. You imply that micro-evolution leads to more complex (or more evolved) species, but that cannot explain certain species that cannot have existed or formed with less complexity (see my bombardier beetle post below). Fourth, micro-evolutionary adaptions are not permanent. On the Galapagos Isles, during the drought, the birds adapted for sharper beaks to pierce through tough shells of nuts and seeds, but once the rains started and food was plentiful, they adapted back to more round beaks for eating berries. Fifth, just because something is logical, does not mean it is true. You need proof to back up a statement. The gaps in the fossil record are too large to even hint at evolution between species, and drawings don't actually count. Finally, whether or not you actually read what I posted, I'm not going to debate this anymore. This post is put to rest.
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Your "Macro-Evolution" is a real thing. It's not just species becoming new species. It's passing down suitable traits from generation to generation, and gradually, over millions of years, new species will arise, and old ones will fall. And much like fractals, it is observable on many levels. Those who just write it off as pure fantasy are fools who don't take to consider it.
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[quote]Hahahahaha!!! But I guess it does not matter. As long as you believe the lie and keep spreading it, maybe one day people will believe it to be true without evidence.[/quote] The only thing you're missing is a fishing line and a lure.
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Well I can't be serious w/ these 'kids' (I call them that because it is how they act like). They believe whatever crap is shoved down their throats in their public schools. So, all I can do is bait them.
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My work here is done! [spoiler]Thank you to all those who embrace questioning over mindless acceptance. [/spoiler]
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you are a -blam!-ing idiot stop fooling yourself to thinking that you're Einstein dipshit I can be as "smart" as you without having to look up all my words on google
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He just made it up and hoodwinked the whole world eh :^)
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[quote]Darwin observed one on the Galapagos Isles and made up the other. [/quote] No he didnt.
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Edited by boom1516: 3/17/2015 2:29:39 PMbanana
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What are you trying to say friendo
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Yes macro evolution is a bigger change but it is over millions of years, so the adaptions add up into bigger changes over time.
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Edited by Heavens Remors: 3/10/2015 5:22:58 PMYou are stating a hypothesis though, not a conclusion. [quote]macro evolution is a bigger change but it is over millions of years, so the adaptions add up into bigger changes over time.[/quote] Like I said, there is no solid, non-disputable evidence that proves this claim. If we look to the past for proof, we run into multiple issues. One of them is irreducible complexity. For example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle This beetle works like an explosive, directing flamethrower to ward off predators. I have to ask, how could evolution, or rather, the beetle itself design this deadly defense in parts? If it had any design flaw, it would simply explode when it mixed the chemicals, and you can't pass on information to the future if you are a smoldering husk. We can assume the beetle got lucky, calculating all the variables and possible faults then putting it together with assistants finally trying it out. Now, we return to the fact that it is just a beetle, and I doubt that it even knows how its own body is made up internally. The other option is looking to the future. Saying, "this is true, but we can't tell you why until later in the future," is a fallacy. Without evidence, there is no conclusion. I know I won't change your mind, but at least I can make you think and question what you were told.