Personally id rather cover my self in tar and feathers than play crucible. The biggest part is no matter how hard i try, i can't get passed a 1.85 kill/death. The whole pvp system just seems totally jacked, like white weapons and legendary weapons doing about the same damage and it basically being pointless to use anything other than a shotgun or fast fusion rifle. It to me just seems like a desperate add on to please whiny people who just want to do pvp and forget about the whole other part.. Called "destiny". FYI sorry about the rant. I'm attempting thorn and bad juju bounties, and its just not going to move an inch. Second question: are those guns really worth wasting hours of my life on something i hate to get? Also i know I'm just going to get "get good -blam!-" posts. Don't even think I'll waste any more valuable time on garbage that is a parasite to humanity. But bungie, can you please fix it so i don't have to spend hours on stuff i absolutely hate doing in order to get stuff? Edit: i meant to say my 1.85 was the highest. My average is about a .6 or lower. I'm thinking its .5 or .4 i don't recall. Edit 2 PLEASE READ: clearly i didn't state this clearly enough.. I'm here to complain to bungie and get advice. If your going to trash talk, get a life or die. Preferably die and don't infect humanity with your annoying habits. If you have advice, I'd like to hear. If your bungie, good! If your nether, don't waste my time.