[quote]So throwing off Atheon or the Templar wasn't a cheese too...so why did they patch it? [/quote] He wasn't referring to that, he is referring to how people play crucible. There are no cheats, no hacks, nothing to exploit in [u]crucible[/u]. Just clever strategies that require clever people to overcome them. But since you and many others aren't smart enough to figure out a counter strategy you just come on the forums crying and bitching. Oh, and I got a letter from activison. They said they really want all you kiddies to come back to CoD where you belong.