The Crucible is overrun with Pulse Rifles, Handcannons, and Shotguns. The majority of AR's are trash, up to the point where they don't even contend with the top five weapons in Crucible. We should see Bungie buff the impact & stability of all AR base stats by 2 - 3%. Range can stay low where it's at. What are your thoughts?
Edit: the current issue is when I engage in an advantageous one-on-one gunfight, built for me to win and lose simply because my weapon is underwhelming. This lets us know that these weapons are terribly imbalanced. Granted I'm not the strongest of players but I understand tact & game flow.
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AR's still melt people pretty well. People only use pulse rifles because they were worthless before, so it's new and fun to have them actually work. They were supposed to be jack of all trades, in between the optimal ranges of an AR and a Scout Rifle, and that's exactly where they fit now.
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After using pulse rifles before their buff, because I genuinely liked them, it's funny watching people complain that they are op now, before everyone used suros, before everyone complained that suros was op, now everybody uses red death, now everybody complains red death is op Doesn't matter what bungie do, they aren't gonna please everyone, get over it and learn how to use a gun other then your auto rifle.
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I'll never understand why auto rifles were Nerfed AGAIN. Suros has had FOUR nerfs and it basically sucks ass right now.
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I agree if you look at the polls, most people use HC because of the killer exotics then scout rifles, much lower there is pulse rifles and at the bottom is auto rifles. It's time for a change
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They pretty much swapped places with pre-buff pulse rifles, meaning we have to depend on an exotic AR now or swap weapon classes entirely, just to compete
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Who would have thought that the first change they made to the Necrochasm would be a nerf. I swear they really don't think things through.
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they are going to rebuff the mythoclast btw
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Either buff them back, or nerf every other gun to be as bad. It's hilarious to watch a guy with Necrochasm spending five minutes trying to kill another guy with a similarly crappy Atheon's Epilogue.
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They should have buffed Pulse Rifles and left autos alone. That way there would be a larger variety of weapon type use.
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No ARs are fine, I still get kills on PvP. Dont ask for a buff if you can't kill.
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They definitely didn't have to nerf anything to get us to use Pulse Rifles. Especially since it nerfed weapons that were already nerfed before (Suros and Vex). I used the Vex yesterday and I swear the accuracy and range on that thing basically makes it useless.
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Edited by Apex of War: 3/28/2015 1:21:33 AMI thought they were fine where they were damage wise, they just needed a tune down on range. They need to recoup some of that damage nerf. I'm as unbiased as they come, I have always rarely used ARs, even un-nerfed (5.3k AR kills out of 83.7k total). They need a little justice, just as pulse rifles did.
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Edited by gcw0068: 3/28/2015 1:26:59 AMYeah! Up to where they used to be! I tried running the good old Sahara just for shits today... it sucked even more, to put it simply.
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they need to buff the exotic ar's necro us terrible and so is suros they need to make them amazing for how rare they are
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I support this.
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BrothaMob
Final Season of Humans 2024 - old
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Even call of duty has an ar that is the number 1 gun in the game. Stop dictating what guns to use, i dismantled mida and last word because I never used them
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If they restore the ARs and HCs to what they were and leave the PRs as they are the balance would be perfect, or LEAVE OUR WEAPONS TO FK ALONE IN PVE YOU FKN HALFWITS.
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My thoughts are the ttk should be increaed on everything in pvp. Even snipers should take 2 headshots to kill. Actually 1 and a quarter. Pvp with insta-kills isnt fun. Remove all the insta-kills and pvp participation would prolly go up to at least 40% instead of the paltry 15% it is now. I say a blanket nerf to everything in pvp only.
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I agree. The stats they used were majorly skewed by the iron banner auto rifle headshot bounty which made every iron banner player use their auto rifle to get 20 headshots... Many people probably completed that daily as it's one of the Really Easy bounties. I'm sure people who rarely used an auto rifle as their first choice did so just because the bounty helps advance iron banner rank. So maybe they can reevaluate the data after the last iron banner and decide they can easily give autorifles back their original strength.
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Edited by DISN: 3/27/2015 1:36:42 PMThe new players that are not aware of all the systems in the game (like how damage works and how range/impact affects it, etc.) will be using them, until they get a decent hand cannon/scout rifle and a shotgun that is...! The older players know how much they suck now. There is absolutely no point in using them anymore. After the patch, I've never used an AR again. Even the SUROS, which I was very hyped about when I got it post-patch, didn't make me want to use them more. I put it in the vault as fast as I could after leveling it up.