I'm 38. My younger sister an I both play as well as my tweener son and my sister's hubby. They just recently got into destiny. Pvp doesn't interest them much. My son and I got the game a few weeks before Christmas. The three of us older folks usually run together as a fire team. The four of us, a night or two ago, put forth a weak attempt at the Venus level 26 raid. We didn't have to much luck. We are only casual gamers. My son is scary good at pvp. I enjoy pvp but am not good at it. All of us use voice gear when playing destiny. It would be cool to get together with some mature folks to assist us in our raiding endeavors.