I've raided every week actually since January and have thoroughly enjoyed myself. I have met great friends through it. But I also am excited for the HoW to not have a raid for 3 reasons 1) You whiners asked for something different than TDB thus HoW 2) This gives Bungie more time to make a better raid for the future. 3) You will still get gear and weapons from the Arena to level up just like VoG and CE. No one is saying that raids are permanently removed from the game. You can still play VoG and Crota, you can still use the weapons from those raids as you will be able to upgrade them to higher attack. As I said earlier, there will be a raid later this year. Bungie knew that by saying there won't be a raid there would be a backlash but they wouldn't have done it if they weren't confident that the Arena and the new raid are both something special. I rest my case. -[i]Hank the Shank[/i]