1a-IF you're good enough, you can outgun a thorn, I've done it with Monte Carlo and everyone says that guns sucks 1b-If you don't see the person and they kill you with thorn, you would've been killed by any thee gun since you didn't see them shooting at you 2-People complain about anything they can when it comes to the crucible 3-This guy is the guy who deleted that kids stuff (That last one Isn't relevant, just makes this guy a d-bag)