You can down Crota hm without orbs. I've done it many time. Titan bubble, Red death...
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[quote]You can down Crota hm without orbs. I've done it many time. Titan bubble, Red death...[/quote] Yeah, I know, but I had the feeling this wasn't going to be a group that would. I use read death,never need chalice on normal. I can usually get the sense of how things will go.