If Borderlands 2 supported a raid like Destiny had, I'm pretty sure it would knock it out the ball park of Destiny. The only reason why anyone continues to play Destiny is either for the raids, or crucible. I started on Borderlands 2 and it was and still is an amazing game. Being able to upgrade your unique character to the way you want, be it a midget dual wielding guns, a Tattoo lady (Siren class) who can lift people in the air telepathically and apply multiple elemental effects, a mysterious robot that can go invisible and deals heavy melee damage and lots of sniper buffs, a commando who throws a turret for a lot of damage (can't say much about him as I don't like his class), a teenager who chopped off her own left arm entirely just so she can control a murderous robot of her own creation (my favorite class!) or a bonified Psychopath who loves to say unnecessary things such as nipple salads, and a constant yern to ride on a meat bicycle (he also is the melee build for the game) borderlands 2 has it all. All Destiny has is a bubble, area of effect suppers, golden gun, and blade dancer. Borderlands 2 did character custimazation the way it needs to be, plus, the gameplay is very fun and the dialogue is the best I've heard from a first person shooter! Destiny only does Raids correct, now imagine if Borderlands has raids, the game feels empty in comparison to Destiny Ailey because we have experienced raids. Beyond that, Borderlands 2 is far better than Destiny