[url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/123803927/0/0]Do you accept Evolution as a fact?[/url] At this moment 70% of the flood does

Why quote the Bible?

Evolution is not a fact. It's evolution. Kabam! Just evolved your brain power! Hoo-raa!

If you wish to stick to your religion, I suggest you take a look at intelligent design. It's the only possible explanation for Christianity that makes the slightest bit of sense. But you can't keep denying evolution.

I just want to say that I'm surprised to see that this forum reached 2,000 replies. I want to thank all of you for being quite the informative audience (except for all of you that just cussed and left; so...minus 200).[spoiler]I would also like to give a special thanks to Britton and Demonwarfare for sticking with me since the beginning. Thanks guys, and have a good day.[/spoiler]

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[quote]The Catholic Church are not Christians.[/quote] - SSG states under JJ1042's reply [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/122261898/0/0]How do you guys feel about the OP saying other denominations of Christianity aren't Christians?[/url] Expand more on this SSG.

Or, ooooor, you could be religious like me, but believe that God created Evolution and while Adam and Eve may be plausible, since it seemed like there were other cities outside of Eden for no reason, The Noah's Ark part is crap probably added in by the Church. What I'm saying is, I believe that God made evolution, which resulted in Adam and Eve with their surrounding cities. Noah and his family however, isn't very plausible since that suggests we are all brothers and sisters. That was probably done on purpose by a church to make it where people might treat each other better, but if it were true, most of us would have some sort of problem. Mental, or physical. TL; DR: What if God created evolution, and the Noah's Ark deal was something added by a church? [spoiler]/rant[/spoiler]

[quote]Evolution is a fact only at a very small scale. It is fantasy when it is used to explain how plants and animals came into existence or how human beings supposedly evolved from apelike ancestors. We might summarize the fantasy by saying that, where the theory of evolution is true, it is not very interesting, and where it is most interesting, it is not true. [/quote] I assume this will be explained later in the rant [quote] If “evolution” merely refers to a process of cyclical (back and forth) variation in response to changing environmental conditions, then evolution is a fact that can be observed both in nature and in laboratory experiments.[/quote] This is false, variations are not caused by a response to environmental conditions, they are caused by mutations in dna and rna, which may or may not help an organism survive. [quote] For example, when a population of insects is sprayed with a deadly chemical like DDT, the most susceptible insects die but the individuals most resistant to the poison survive to breed and leave offspring, which inherit the genes that provide resistance. After many generations of insects have been sprayed, the entire surviving population may be comprised of the DDT-resistant variety, and some new form of insect control will have to be applied. Such changes are not permanent, however, because the resistant mosquitoes are more fit than the others only for as long as the insecticide is applied. When the environment becomes free of the toxic chemical, the insect population tends to revert to what it was before.[/quote] Semi correct, however unless the genes mutate again or some of the non pesticide resistant genes remain, it is unlikely that the species will revert to a previous format. [quote] A similar effect explains how disease-causing bacteria become resistant to antibiotic drugs like penicillin, which then are no longer as effective in controlling the disease as they formerly were.[/quote] If mutations occur, yes. [quote] Almost all illustrations of “evolution in action” in textbooks or museum exhibits are similar to these examples. They involve no increase in complexity or appearance of new body parts or even permanent change of any kind. Small-scale, reversible population variations of this sort are usually called microevolution, although “adaptive variation” would be a better term.[/quote] Once again, reversing these effects is only possible if a mutation occurs or the genes are still in the dna. Complexity also increases with mutations, alongside the possibility for new or changed body parts. [quote] It is misleading to describe adaptive variation as “evolution,” because the latter term commonly refers also to macroevolution. Macroevolution is the grand story of how life supposedly evolved by purely natural processes from very simple beginnings to become complex, multicelled plants and animals, and eventually human beings, without God’s participation being needed at any step along the way.[/quote] This is highly likely, and even if God exists, who is to say that he didn't create the process of evolution. Science and religion need not contradict one another. [quote] Charles Darwin assumed that macroevolution was merely microevolution extended over very long periods of time. Biology textbooks, museums, and television programs still teach people to make the same assumption, so that examples of microevolution are used as proof that complex animals and even human beings evolved from simpler organisms by a similar process.[/quote] this paragraph contains no false information, and so, I have no qualms with it. [quote] The primary flaw in the story of macroevolution is that all plants and animals are packed with information—the complicated instructions that coordinate the many processes enabling the body and brain to function. Even Richard Dawkins, the most famous living advocate of Darwin’s theory, admits that every cell in a human body contains more information than all the volumes of an encyclopedia, and every one of us has trillions of cells in his or her body, which have to work together in marvelous harmony.[/quote] I see no flaws with the theory here. [quote] The greatest weakness of the theory of evolution is that science has not discovered a process that can create all the necessary information, which can be likened to the software that directs a computer. Without such a demonstrated creative process, evolution is merely a story, because [b]its supposed mechanism can neither be duplicated in a laboratory nor observed in nature.[/b][/quote] Science often fills in the blanks in its theories, case in point: the periodic table of the elements, give it time and it will work out the kinks. [quote] It is true that there are patterns of similarity among living creatures. For example, humans, apes, mice, worms, and even plants have many similar genes. The important question is not whether there are similarities among all living things but whether those similarities came about through a natural process akin to the observable examples of adaptive variation that we find in textbooks and museum exhibits.[/quote] And through enough similarities one can see if two species are related, it's a family tree on a larger scale. [quote] One mistake Christians often make in debating evolution is to take on too many issues at once, rather than starting with the most important problem and solving it first. For example, evolution requires a time scale of many millions of years, while many people understand the Bible to allow for an earth history of only a few thousand years. The evolutionary time scale is debatable, but debating it involves several complex scientific disciplines and distracts attention from the most important defect of the theory of evolution. The only mechanism the evolutionists have is a combination of random variation and natural selection, illustrated by the survival of the insects that happened to be resistant to an insecticide. [b]This Darwinism mechanism has never been shown to be capable of creating new genetic information[/b] or new complex body parts such as wings, eyes, or brains. Without a mechanism that can be demonstrated to be capable of the necessary creation, the theory of evolution is just a fantasy with no real scientific basis.[/quote]and the earth [b]is[/b] roughly 4.5 billion years old, a common explanation as to why the bible says the world was created in 6 days is that God doesn't experience time the way we do, hell we created the measurements of time, who's to say we didn't change how long a day was. As to creating new genetic information and development of complex body parts, [b][i]mutation[/i][/b] is the key word, mutations cause new genetic information to form, and in turn add or change body parts until they develop into something else entirely. [quote] The Bible teaches, “In the beginning God created” and “In the beginning was the Word.” A simple way of explaining this basic principle is to say that a divine intelligence existed before anything else and that intelligence was responsible for the origin of life and for the existence of all living things, including human beings. [b]No matter how much time we might allow for evolution to do the necessary creating, the evidence shows that the process would never get started[/b] because all evolution can do is to further minor variations in organisms that are already living, without any change in their basic classification. When the Bible says, “In the beginning God created” (Gen 1:1), it is presenting us with a fact, which we need to know to understand everything else, including what we were created for and how God wants us to live.[/quote] and with the right chemical elements alongside lightning (or some other form of energy to incite a reaction) you can create rna and dna proteins, it has been tested in laboratories, it is fact. [quote]The Bible also says that God created men and women in His own image. That, too, is a fact. If it were not true, there would be no science, because [b]no theory of evolution can demonstrate how intelligence came into existence[/b], including the intelligence of misguided people who misuse science to try to explain creation without allowing any role to God.[/quote] as to creating intelligence, it is very possible that all life forms possess some levels of intelligence as we have found that animals such as Dolphins have intelligence similar to our own. [quote] “In the beginning was the Word.” The Bible says it and, properly understood, the evidence of science confirms it. Anyone who says otherwise is peddling fantasy, not fact. [spoiler]By Phillip E. Johnson. Edited by me.[/spoiler][/quote] The evidence of science neither confirms nor denies it, and to present it as fact without providing sufficient evidence is a fool's errand. As it stands currently religion is an unsupportable idea just as a person saying the photographed the [b]real[/b], totally not photoshopped Loch Ness monster.

Eh, close enough

"Im not educated in this field beyond a basic high school biology class but here is why that entire field is wrong"

Quoting fiction and saying it is a fact doesn't make it a fact...

Well, we got into an interesting discussion but my android phone doesn't show all the thread in the right order, making it incredibly hard to navigate. I am sure I have missed a reply or two of yours. So far everything you've said has been an apologetic argument I have heard before that has had no impact on our understanding of evolution. The original copied and pasted article did nothing to change our understanding of evolution when it was published, and I wonder why you think it might now. It was not seen as a legitimate challenge to the mountains of data in support of evolution. Why do you think this is?

You realize that Genesis is a Creation STORY. Right? You can't quote something that hasn't happened and then proceed to state it as a fact. [quote]anyone who thinks otherwise is peddling fantasy. [/quote] Are you sure it's not you? I mean after all you're quoting a story... Not a fact... Not to mention that there is much evidence to point that evolution is a fact...

That is a bit to much text for me so I skimmed it and I agree will read rest later

Jesus -blam!- someone become intelligent and spread the word to disregard this shit

[quote]Evolution is a fact[/quote] nop

If the bible is the literal word of god, why havent new books been added in the last 2000 years? Are none of the televangelist worthy of writing new scripture? Surely there is one among you holy enough to further his word. a book that old has to be 100% accurate. Its not like an author ever had an agenda before.

Wrong, Prometheus taught me big balloon men made us

There is two reasons why your reasoning is completely stupid. Do you know why?

Pokemon are the only ones that can evolve!!!!!

btw, god is used to get money from dumb people

Ok that last paragraph made everybody dumber! The bible says in genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaves and earth" go pick up a bible and actually read it before typing to bullshit like that

You had my attention until you said god did it. Copout, bro. God did nothing. Ever. You only believe in god because you live in a place where you were told when you were a tiny human that God does stuff. Or is real. Neither is true. Chemicals in your brain make you feel good when you pray. Which also does nothing. Really it should be called talking to yourself under your breath. Which is what it is. You're a very intelligent person, and I'm sad to see that you're letting your feelings for how you were raised interfere with your logic and reasoning. Have a good day, sir, and I hope you find a better argument than "god did it".

You seem to confusing evolution with abiogenesis. They are not the same.