What Wheeze said. [quote]Here's the thing that blows my mind... There's no nice way to say it: people are stupid. Thorn was [b]always[/b] a good weapon for PvP. It was [b]always[/b] a two headshot kill. The things they buffed (reload speed/stability) were not huge game changers for the way the weapon performed in PvP. Increasing its mag size to 9 is actually stealth balance, because now it takes [b]longer[/b] to get to Final Round, if you do at all. As it is, Thorn's range/stability are in line with other Hand Cannons, with your mid-tier perks allowing you to customize the weapon for user preference. What changed is that before it was buffed, few people finished the Thorn bounty, because all they ever heard was "Thorn sucks." There were only a few voices in the wilderness (see what I did there?) who would tell people, it's actually pretty good in PvP, give it a try. Once Thorn was buffed, the herd mentality took over and everyone started using Thorn. It's like Auto Rifles. I don't care what anyone says, Auto Rifles are still viable PvP weapons, but no one uses them now because they heard "nerf" and abandoned the weapon. Same with Fusion Rifles.[/quote] Also your precision kill ratio with every weapon type is garbage. You complain about other people not having skill?! You can barley get a headshot every third round. You suck dude.