You don't have to tell me how to counter it. I do fine in crucible. I'm not saying this for myself, in a subjective manner. I'm saying this as objective as I can possibly be. Looking at it from more than one perspective is essential. Whenever I play with Thorn - and I rarely do because it doesn't satisfy me - I just start laughing a bit and constantly thinking "haha, this gun is so OP...". How is it not enough for you that every single team in IB is a full thorn team? How does that in any way implicate a balanced system where all guns are viable in the right hands. Because even if thorn is not OP in terms of damage, it is still OP if every hand is the right hand for this gun. There should be no such thing in a first person shooter. But hey, that is my opinion. Now I want to ask you a question. Do you use Thorn?