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5/5/2015 3:55:55 PM
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You sir, have several problems. The first, and I say this not to insult or demean, is that you are a hypocrit. You have made a statement of your beliefs, and when most folks respond in kind, about the only answer you give is - [i]"State your facts - none? Okay."[/i]. You then proceed to belittle the people with stylish yet childish wit, whilst [i]claiming[/i] to be logical. Also, refusing to accept someone's point of view does not equate to them having no facts - it equates to your ignorance and intolerance. Shameful behaviour from someone who is obviously very intelligent, and abusing that gift mercilessly. Finally, I respect your beliefs, whilst I don't share them, but find it ironic that you source the Bible as a statement of fact, yet can offer nothing but your [i]belief that it is a factual document[/i] as evidence of its veracity. Again, hypocrisy. I apologise if this offends you, and will not discuss your initial points until you open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong - but I had to share my thoughts on this, and forgive the term, troll post.
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  • Edited by SSG ACM: 5/7/2015 3:39:11 PM
    [quote]You sir, have several problems. The first, and I say this not to insult or demean, is that you are a hypocrit.[/quote]Thank you for being honest.[quote]You have made a statement of your beliefs, and when most folks respond in kind, about the only answer you give is - [i]"State your facts - none? Okay."[/i]. You then proceed to belittle the people with stylish yet childish wit, whilst [i]claiming[/i] to be logical.[/quote]I've answered the same question for almost every person for about 600 times, and they end up treating evolution as a faith-based belief in the end (ask Britton). It's not that I'm trying to be annoying or to demean anyone's personal opinion, but I would honestly like them to include in their comments the evidence for their belief regarding the OP. Some have mentioned the fossil record, hot Earth, chromosome count, God's exclusivity, etc, to which I explained the often understandable misconception. I end up often, out of the sake of tiring from answering repetitive points, copying and pasting info, which I know can be annoying, but it doesn't negate the fact that the issue of answering those questions about evolution is problematic. For future replies, I'll try not to intentionally do this (unless you are Britton or Demonwarfare).[quote]Also, refusing to accept someone's point of view does not equate to them having no facts - it equates to your ignorance and intolerance. Shameful behaviour from someone who is obviously very intelligent, and abusing that gift mercilessly.[/quote]I couldn't agree more, but I confess to be quite rash in my reasoning when I am often provoked by the Atheists who assume cussing and belittling me with stupid questions that don't even regard the OP, which are evident for attacking my character and beliefs. It's very aggravating, and I do not mean to offend. I've had some funny conversations with a few, but the majority of my audience often gripe and complain that I'm a man that indulges on the ignorance of others, but I (which I stated before) am not making people dumber if everyone is under the same conclusion about origins (that's why I did not write the OP since I would have appeared bias without a source).[quote]Finally, I respect your beliefs, whilst I don't share them, but find it ironic that you source the Bible as a statement of fact, yet can offer nothing but your [i]belief that it is a factual document[/i] as evidence of its veracity. Again, hypocrisy.[/quote]Actually, I talked a lot about the Bible with Britton, and he hasn't turned down anything that I've said about the Bible regarding authenticity.[quote]I apologise if this offends you...[/quote]No offense taken. Your honesty is much appreciated.[quote]...and will not discuss your initial points until you open your mind to the possibility that you are wrong...[/quote]I already had opened my mind to the possibility, and I indeed found myself to be wrong that evolution was true. I used to be Atheistic and an idiotic, little jerk. I regretted my foolish state, and soon found myself understanding a joy that I wouldn't have felt if I didn't think otherwise. So I searched for justification of this faith and found it to be evident. You can ask me any question I have regarding this further if you wish, but I can go on a long tangent.[quote]...but I had to share my thoughts on this...[/quote]It is much appreciative and highly encouraged.[quote]...and forgive the term, troll post.[/quote]Huh?

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  • Well damn. That was a well crafted reply good sir. I salute you for it. Without getting into the Theory of Evolution and it's scientific facts, which I'm quite sure I am no expert on in any event, I will allow one admission - it doesn't know everything it needs to, to adequately explain every facet of every living creature. How can it? Science as we know it is as advanced as we, as a species, are capable of understanding it, meaning that there will always be assumptions and calculated, if not observable conclusions. This will leave areas for argument or debate. And from what I've seen of Britton, these will be the areas he won't attempt to justify, because he can't. Religion, on the other hand, has its flaws also. Several times (at least twice) your quoted passage claims [i]"The Bible says....."[/i] followed by [i]"That's a fact"[/i]. The justification, in every instance, is not a source from within the Bible, but a lack of scientific evidence to prove the opposing scientific opinion. To clarify, let's assume that we are all deaf. To continue the narrative, the Bible says duck quacks don't echo, and having no evidence to the contrary, religious folks claim it's truth. Yet science has no proof as we can't hear it. We can calculate, theorise, and debate, but not prove. On the other hand, the religious folks are claiming the right of it, because an unverified source says so.... My point, to cut a long story short, is that it's the same end result, from two differing viewpoints, and likely the two will never agree till either the Bible gets an update with a bibliography stating the sources of its facts, or science advances to the point where we can claim evolution is exactly as we had observed it to be. I myself will wait for science. I sort of enjoy the way science works. Seems to me you enjoy the way the Bible works, and that's cool with me. This debate, on the other hand, could go on for a long time with little or no resolution. :) [spoiler]And I find myself apologising again. The inference of "troll post" wasn't so much because I believe you to be a troll, which I don't, but more because this issue often raises contention. Seeing the oft repeated "facts? None." replies, it can seem that you became unintentionally troll-like. I can see from your reply, however that I was a little presumptuous, and apologise for the comment. :)[/spoiler]

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  • [quote]My point, to cut a long story short, is that it's the same end result, from two differing viewpoints, and likely the two will never agree till either the Bible gets an update with a bibliography stating the sources of its facts, or science advances to the point where we can claim evolution is exactly as we had observed it to be.[/quote]Very agreeable conclusion. Jolly good sir. ;-)

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