The players you describe are not pvpers lol, the real pvpers played 100s of hours of crucible in alpha and beta then realised shortly after the actual release that crucible balance had been ruined and was no longer worth playing very much. All that was needed at that point was a moderate buff to pulse a large buff to handcannons to bring them in line and it would have been perfect, there were no nurfs needed anywhere. Then the calamity started, nerfing some archetypes and buffing other in the same patch was always going to fk everything up and lead to mass debalancing over and over every patch. The worst thing is pulse and handcannons have had about the correction they needed since then and are right where i would have put them, but everything else is now out of line where they would have been balanced if they just changed those two and left everything else.