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5/14/2015 4:02:00 PM
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Gotcha. I did know what you meant by archtypes and I can hear what you are saying to an extent.
I see your explanation clearly but I disagree with you about the fire rate being a problem to begin with. The Spear already fires slow. Significantly slower than the Praedyth/chose/prudence archtype and even noticeably slower than the LDR/Longbow archtype.
Personally I don't think that the recoil/stability even matters on the Spear because you can correct pretty easily by the time you are allowed to fire again.
Every weapon type in the game has the exchange between Impact and RoF where you lose one when you gain the other and the Spear is no different.
Spear has super high impact but you lose the fire rate advantage of the praedyth's type that allows you to get body shot kills with 2 quick shots so I think the trade off is balanced.
<<My comment was regarding the final Final Round perk and I am still unclear on where that ties in to your opinion on the fire rate.>>>
Though I disagree with you about the issue of Spear's RoF I think that that is pretty clever that you would find an explanation to the perceived problem in the Black Hammer's White Nail perk :) I definitely appreciated that thought.
For the sake of clarity I will explain why I don't think that the Spear's RoF is an issue.
The two possibilities I see where RoF is a consideration is when you are 1) getting 2 shot body kills and 2) when you are chaining headshots.
1) any other sniper in the game besides the Hammer and Spear will chain body shots quicker so there is no advantage to the Spear in that Situation.
2) Chaining headshots will also be much slower with the Spear so there is no advantage to the Spear there.
The place where the Spear archtype has an advantage is in the body shot damage output and the ability to one shot someone through an overshield/defense buff. Both of these advantages have nothing to do with RoF which I can explain why I say that if you want.
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Firstly thanks for reading. Its nice to find worthy conjecture here man. I suppose that my position is incorporating possibilities that aren't part of the game we have. Moreover I didn't elaborate on what I see in my mind as potential solutions. From a balancing standpoint perks that mitigate the inherent balance of an "archetype" should reintroduce something as compensation for its added benefit. Except of course the trade off of not having another perk. Fundamentally the spear fires much much to fast for its damage through put in [i]crucible[/i] Outside of crucible the weapon doesn't flag as an overpowering piece of equipment. It has GREAT efficacy but that worth isn't game breaking. In the crucible the weapon has a very real tier of functionality of the highest caliber. With a perk set hand picked for crucible it is in class all its own. A perk like final round on the high impact class should dramatically increase the amount of time it takes to reload... Why it doesn't is probably the impact final round has on other lower impact snipers. (Nothing really special) A solution for that would be to increase the reload speed proportional to impact. The higher the impact the greater the effect. If you shoot ordinance with that kind of potential power there should be a very real risk associated with it. It should cause you to be vulnerable in a way that makes missing a potential disaster. Problem is that I like the highlights in the scope of available weapons. Iron banner is a great thing. And the incentive high tier weapons represent is critical to the drive of ascending the ranks of IB. i love my efrideets spear, but I unerringly use the version with field scout... Final round is neat and all but without unflinching it has a great potential to be just a wasted bullet. What's more I doubt i would want to give up surplus for unflinching. Im trying to get headshots anyway, so more bullets is better for me. Ideally I would want unflinching, field scout, and surplus. Interestingly I have an apr +final round + rodeo version and despite trying to use it I can't stand having three bullets in the chamber. Maybe I am just not into exploits and enjoy the classic sniper meta. Thanks again for the great conversation.
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Welcome :) I think that we just have differing opinions as I think that the Spear fires slow enough to be balanced. For control I almost always use the Praedyth archetype snipers because of the fire rate. I never use the Final round on the Spear in PvP either. I'm a compulsive reloader so it is rare for me to use up 5 rds without reloading and I don't really care to abuse it just to shoot someone in the body for a kill. The only reason I actually use my Spear in PvP is because I have Double Down/Field Scout which starts me off with 24 rds :) Happy Hunting
