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5/17/2015 1:29:03 PM
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This is a truly awful analogy, but even if it weren't, you'd have to deal with the following: Firstly you claimed the watch analogy was incredibly unlikely, then you went on to imply it was impossible [i]because[/i] it was unlikely. Anyone should be able to see the inconsistency (and flagrant dishonesty) there. Given enough time, the unlikely becomes almost inevitable. For example I might not have much chance of winning the lottery on any given week, but after a billion years I would be unlucky if it hadn't happened several times. And so we come to this old analogy. We take all the parts from the watch and shake them around in the box. They do not fit together correctly. Then we repeat the experiment with millions of watches in boxes at a time (representing the amount of breeding animals of whatever species) and repeat that experiment for 4.5 billion years. Can you still confidently claim that it wouldn't ever produce a watch? To be honest I don't really see how this could represent evolution anyway. It seems it would draw a better parallel with abiogenesis (the origin of life), not evolution (the mechanism that gave us the diversity of life). But I didn't choose it so it's not my problem I guess. Now I fully expect to be muted, as that seems to be your general response to anything you can't dispute, but I thought it was worth trying to explain it to you.
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  • Edited by SSG ACM: 5/17/2015 8:18:19 PM
    That assumed, inevitable outcome is most likely impossible because it is always easier to submit to entropy than it is to submit to order and specific complexity.

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  • Edited by Stickman Al: 5/18/2015 8:40:54 AM
    I fail to see your point [b]again[/b].

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  • Do you understand that all closed systems are in a state of leading toward entropy?

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  • Yes. What is the closed system you're thinking of?

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  • The universe. Do you understand that everything tangible by any of our senses are finite?

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  • Prove the universe is a closed system. And what on earth did that last bit even mean?

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  • The universe isn't infinite by conventional laws of dimensional relation There are 3 dimensions (4 if you count time) so the universe can't infinitely extend in any of the three

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  • There's actually something close to 12 dimensions we just can't comprehend anything past 4

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  • In the beginning, there was a stack of dominos. The End. New Version: Do you understand that everything is finite?

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  • Do I agree you mean? No. I neither agree not disagree. As far as I understand, that's not yet known, so I reserve judgement.

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  • [quote]Do I agree you mean? No.[/quote]Then what do you see to be tangible and infinite? [quote]I neither agree [nor] disagree. As far as I understand, that's not yet known, so I reserve judgement.[/quote]So you just believe what you think to be true out of faith and respect of your belief?

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  • [i]Then what do you see to be tangible and infinite?[/i] I'm not sure if anything is tangible and infinite because you are being incredibly vague about what you even mean. Thus, I cannot answer the question. Since I can't answer the question I do not have to rely on evidence or faith. Would you like to skip this cryptic meandering and make your point?

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  • [quote]Then what do you see to be tangible and infinite?[/quote]Nothing.[quote]I'm not sure if anything is tangible and infinite because you are being incredibly vague about what you even mean. Thus, I cannot answer the question. Since I can't answer the question I do not have to rely on evidence or faith. Would you like to skip this cryptic meandering and make your point?[/quote]Yes.

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  • I had hoped this was going somewhere.

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