You are dumb as fck. This exotic gives into the voidwalkers sheer destructive capacity. Honestly I didn't think much of this perk at first then I used it... Jesus. If you throw one within 5 ft or so of enemy, he is dead. If you use annihilate and bloom, then him and anyone near him is dead. Just one. I've wiped whole teams with a single scatter at once. This exotic rewards skilled aiming tremendously. To the point where I think it's OP that we get two. I vastly prefer the new manacles to the old ones. Its my perma exotic for pvp where as omind is my pve one

This is why you shouldn't trust data mined items.You'll definitely get disappointed.But as a fellow Voidwalkee warlock,I fell in love with Nothing Manacles.The increased grenade throw is very special,since I have studied he trajectory of grenades and studied possible movement patterns of enemies. Scatter grenades with the Manacles perk can kill a player with full health.It really depends in your play style. :D

How is someone actually complaining about new warlock exotic armor? Have you seen the stuff titans are getting?

Honestly, scatter charge us better, as it gives scatter grenade tracking. Scatter grenade already has a one explosion kill potential, and tracking guarantees that you will get the kill if you land your grenade correct

Lol i dont use saint 14 as a defender i use armamentarium or the inmost light for looks

Started a new topic: Voidwalkers, which perk would you rather see on The Nothing Manacles(5 Replies))

I like the Scatter grenade, and I like the current Manacles. Sue me.

IDK, the pros were all over the new perk. Try it out, you might actually like it

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Since HoW is now live, it can't change. Maybe there will be a new exotic that's worthwhile in 10 years lol

[quote]For those of you that have seen the datamined info for the upcoming exotics, you'd know the The Nothing Manacles have received a perk change. The original perk, The Cold Equation, would allow Voidwalkers to receive a shield upon killing an enemy with an ability. I, like im sure a lot of you voidwalkers out there were, was really excited for this version of the Nothing manacles. Personally I thought the perk was great, not really overpowered, and could actually compete with Obsidian Mind as the best voidwalker exotic. I liked the theme of the item. The description reads: "The Equations balance thus: You are diminished, and I am exalted. You are broken, and I am made strong.". The description poetically described the actual function of the perk, not to mention it paired with the actual name of the perk. All in all the original version was awesome. Purple sunbreakers that came with an amazing, versatile perk. Then it got changed. The new perk, Scatter Charge, grants an extra charge for Scatter grenade, and gives it tracking capabilities. This caters to a very specific kind of player, one who A) Always uses the scatter grenade B) absolutely needs to have two grenades, and C) has yet to figure out the grenade arc. They decided it was a good idea to change a very solid and versatile perk into a niche grenade upgrade. With the original perk, a voidwalker pve exotic wouldve been a hard choice. Do you want to have the opportunity to immediately recharge your super with obsidian mind, or do you want to be able to last longer in intense situations. Now the choice is, do you want the chance to immediately recharge your super, or have a slightly better scatter grenade. LITERALLY NO ONE WILL CHOOSE NOTHING MANACLES OVER OBSIDIAN MIND. Once again, there is a clear choice of what exotic is best for a certain subclass. Obsidian Mind still wins by a long shot. This is a serious problem that destiny has that the devs don't seem to realize. When exotics don't offer different, but equal perks, everyone using a certain subclass defaults to a single exotic. What Gunslinger doesn't use Achlyophage Symbiote? What Defender doesn't use Helm of Saint-14? What Sunsinger doesn't use Heart of the Praxic fire? It's the meta for a reason: All the other exotics don't come anywhere near how useful these ones are. And it's a real shame for Voidwalkers especially, since the best pve exotic for them is just a reskin of a base helmet model. Gunslingers and Sunsingers are at least getting exotics that compete with their top choices for pve. Do you really need a 4 shot golden gun when you can have one shot that deals damage equivalent to 6 shots? And sure you can have further decreased ability cooldowns, but what if you could blind anything camping your corpse? And us voidwalkers are still forced to default to a boring reskin solely because all of the other options are niche or make little difference. The devs took a possible top tier exotic, and decided to make it a probable bottom tier one. As a dedicated Voidwalker, all I wanted was something I could use instead of Obsidian Mind, and have it be good enough that I wouldnt feel like an idiot for using it over my subclass's top choice. With its original perk, the Nothing Manacles were going to fulfill my wishes. But now that they've been changed, it's clear that most Voidwalkers will still be wearing a lazy reskin by the time The Taken King drops. So please bungie, have pity on this desperate space wizard that just wants to be different. CHANGE THE NOTHING MANACLES PERK BACK TO THE COLD EQUATION. IT WAS PERFECT BEFORE, DONT RUIN IT. PS: Don't tell me the ram is gonna cure the voidwalker durability dilemma. high armor stat has nowhere near the effectiveness of an oversheild and instant health regen is useless if you're still being shot at when its triggered. PSS: Reminder that the Celestial Nighthawk (formerly the Exotac angel hunter) originally had a horrible perk, and after enough complaints from the community, it was changed to what will most definitely be the new top gunslinger pve exotic. Reverting the nothing manacles change is a perfectly reasonable request.[/quote] I was so disappointed when I found out they changed the nothing manacles I thought they were going to be awesome but now I have to keep these old void fang vestments that I have had for ever. As I like to say if it ain't broke don't fix it. Bungie please change them back.

ill be more then happy with the nothing manacles as is. i love the scatter grenade and love having 2 of them even more. call me crazy, but ill personally take the skull over obsidian. obsidian is undeniably powerful but for nova bombs. the skull brings together all the pieces of skill tree to make a synergistically devastating void walking death machine.

I agree totally... Pretty bummed on the warlock gear changes. I think the 3 exotics were looking really good, but at least this might make scatter grenade more useful and fun to use in general.