Why are you on the internet? There's no need for that.

Interent is information, research, communication. Necesseties. Guns are not. Checkmate.

Learn what necessities are. You can survive without all of those things, and firearms are more important as they provide protection so you can even have communication in the first place.

But they're neccessities in a modern first world. Perhaps in somewhere uncivilised and lawless like somalia, chad or kurdistan. But any country claiming to be "first world" shouldnt require the populace to arm themselves to be safe. My country was, and always has been safe, therefore no need for firearms outside of primary production pest control and sports shooters who have a legitimate need, and are required to keep them locked in a safe when not in use.

-blam!- off, Cam, you dullard.

The only dullard is yourself. You also failed to answer my question. Were you unable to comprehend it?

No the dullard here is you, as it was in our last back and forth (and everyone else could see that). It was a total waste of time trying to have a logical discussion with you, as you were so riddled and distracted with bias that you couldn't even keep up. And here you are again, frothing at the mouth with bias to champion another cause. I understood the question just fine, you clod. Do not mistake my ability to predict you and say "nope, not worth the effort" as a 'lack of understanding.' I just see no reason to, again, waste my time. I'm not going to answer stupidly emotional questions, asked out of pure gun rights advocacy bias, especially when my comment was not even an argument against gun ownership; my comment was nothing more than stating the fact that I have no need (personally) for owning a gun. Whether that "need" is entirely literal/out of necessity, or simply loosely saying I have no interest in owning or firing a gun for any purpose, I'm not going to "get there" with you through the tedium of justifying my use of the internet, because that is ridiculous. And at no point was I saying that YOU or anyone else does not need or should not have the right to own a gun.

Ironically, you're the only dullard and are merely confused to believe I am. I proved you wrong last time and everyone saw that which is why you shut up and left like the coward you are. This only confirms you're a coward for having irrational and paranoid fears. It was a waste of time because you're not at all logical. Everyone has bias, but I confirmed mine with facts. You SHOULD be biased towards the truth. You've gone incoherent. You would see being humiliated by me as a waste of time, because it is. You're wasting both of our time, at least you're aware. Until you are able to learn I can not help you. You're lost. You have no need for internet, yet, here you are, so you still haven't answered my question. You made this post for nothing, then, which you even admit. I asked you a simple question, I never assumed you had any implication, I merely asked for clarification because your post was vague nonsense.

Lol, more lol and tripple lol. Your strategy of debate: "No YOU are a poopy head!" Followed up with you giving yourself congratulatory praise for being right and winning because you say so. You sure showed me, Cam. *claps* You know what? I was wrong, I do need a gun after reading your dribble: http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20131211011839/familyguy/images/9/99/Stewie_gun_mouth_super.jpg

The insane often laugh for no reason. That's how you see this, you're projecting simple truth. The fact is you insulted me first, don't dish it out if you can't take it. If you're right, why don't you prove me wrong? I don't want you ever owning a firearm. You're far too incompetent. Hey, you're still on that internet you don't need. If I'm right here, why don't you shoot yourself?

[b][i]I proved you wrong last time and everyone saw that which is why you shut up and left like the coward you are.[/b][/i] - Cam No Cam, you didn’t. Calling me a coward is just a silly emotional attack, and if you want to test me I’m quite happy to write up a summary of our disagreement, post it to that thread and attention everyone. As it stands, I spoke my mind, shared my argument, and it’s all there, publicised for everyone to see. Refusing to continue arguing with was just refusing to waste my time. It’s also worth pointing out that I even invited everyone to challenge what I said by calling up their local hospital or psych ward. That’s not the hallmark of coward, that’s the hallmark of someone who knows their point is backed up. Furthermore, in that thread, at least a few people commented negatively on you and your arguments. Several people endorsed my response to you btw. Many people could clearly see your arguments were biased and unsubstantiated, hence my comment that everyone could see I proved you wrong. But let’s summarise the disagreement anyway: My position: we should legalise cannabis but it’s not totally harmless. My argument: I point to cases of induced psychosis. Your position: cannabis is totally harmless. Your argument: you disregard any cases of induced psychosis by stating that they’re all in the case of prior mental illness. Quote: [b][i] That only proves they have ALWAYS had issues, they just didn't realize it until the cannabis use.[/b][/i] - Cam First of all, your position doesn’t even make sense. On one hand you concede my point and then on the other you’re contradicting it, as you’re basically saying one always had issues but wasn’t aware of it until they used cannabis. At this point I’m very much doubting you even know what a psychotic episode looks like. I assure you, if someone had prior episodes, they would have known about it. Second of all, your argument is based on assumption. The fact is you have not provided any proof whatsoever that all cases of induced psychosis are strictly in the case of people who had prior mentally health problems, and or would have certainly had mental health problems otherwise. You merely assume. In the former case, I know for a fact that you cannot provide such evidence because there are many cases to the contrary: people who had no prior history of mental illness experienced complications such as psychotic episodes. In the latter case, obviously we do not know if those people would have ever had mental health issues if even they had a dormant susceptibility, if they hadn't of used the drug. It’s quite possible they wouldn't have. Like I said last week, we just don’t know. Hence my position that we should legalise pot but educate people as to such potential risks, such as some people may experience negative complications with the drug. That seems to be a pretty balanced and responsible stance given what we know. So again, I reiterate: that there are risks to using cannabis and it’s blatantly irresponsible to argue otherwise. I am confident that most doctors and nurses (people who actually know what the hell they’re talking about) would agree with me. Only someone who is biased would disregard their cases and experience; doctors and nurses in some cases have been seeing their patients since birth and provide valuable information. It’s also unnecessary to argue otherwise to champion the cause of legalising cannabis. Plenty of legal activities have risks. Big bloody deal. It’s not the end of the campaign.

No, I just stated the truth. You refused to debate, and instead of simply admitting you were ill-prepared for a debate, you insulted me and lied about me, that is why you're a coward. You're also a coward for assuming an insult from someone online is an "attack." You're more than welcome to shine light on your embarrassment. Your arguments were lousy and proven wrong. I also proved you wrong by inviting you to speak to some patients from my old dispensary. It doesn't matter how many fools side with you, you were still proven wrong. Someone even tried making a thread showing me people don't want it, and it blew up in their face as the majority of people stated it is harmless. Everyone has bias, but I was actually able to back mine up unlike you. I proved to you that cannabis does not cause psychosis but instead can trigger it like literally anything else can. It's the fault of the individual's mind, not the substance. It makes perfect sense to those with reason and an understanding of psychosis. Of course it makes no sense to an uneducated person like you. That's why you continued to humiliate yourself even after you were proven wrong. You clearly don't understand how the mind and these illnesses work. Literally alcohol, food, sex or smells could all trigger that psychosis just the same as cannabis. No, it's based on simple science. I never claimed all psychosis is solely from their mind, but that cannabis DEFINITELY can NOT cause psychosis. Period. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0920996413006105 There was also the Harvard study I posted, and plenty of other sources as well. You were the only one making false assumptions about me to the point of pathetic obsession. Alcohol is most often the cause of these problems, not cannabis. I guess you're telling these people they should never have food since it MIGHT trigger an episode. Of course, people with these problems should avoid ALL habit-forming activities, but of everything they could choose, cannabis is their best bet and actually helps treat most forms of psychosis and treats schizophrenia quite well. We had quite a few of these patients at my dispensary, and no, not one of them claimed cannabis caused them. There's a reason cannabis is becoming legal in this country, it's because we know what you're saying is complete BS. Your lies aren't working anymore. I never once said everyone was risk-free when using cannabis, if you ever took the time to listen. It's not for everyone. The simple fact remains that it can NOT harm you unless you have some kind of rare allergy, in which case, you still couldn't put the fault on cannabis itself. You can NOT overdose on this substance. Period. It will not harm you. Period. Any "harm" is the result of combustion or the individual user that should avoid all substances, fast food, unusual sex etc. Again, I've known many doctors that agree with me. I wouldn't care if one hit of cannabis caused death, it should still be legal. People have every right to destroy their own lives.

[b][i]No, I just stated the truth. You refused to debate.[/b][/i] No you haven’t, and now you’ve loosened up on your position that pot is “simply harmless” – that’s good. And I debated you for several posts. Once everything had been said, and it was clear we were going around in circles, I walked away. I came here to give you another go. [b][i]and instead of simply admitting you were ill-prepared for a debate[/b][/i] That’s because I never was. My argument has been consistent and substantiated from the get go – you have clearly misunderstood it, but it hasn’t changed. Not once. Where was I wrong in the following position?: Cannabis should be legalised but we should also educate people on the risks – risks being negative side-effects that some people might be susceptible to. [b][i]you insulted me[/b][/i] Because you were talking nonsense and being arrogant. You insulted me from the get go. Get over it. [b][i]and lied about me[/b][/i] I’ve made clear assumptions about you, to you. [b][i]that is why you're a coward. You're also a coward for assuming an insult from someone online is an "attack."[/i][/b] Where did I say you attacked me? Stop putting words in my mouth. But yes, you were being insulting. [i][b]You're more than welcome to shine light on your embarrassment.[/b][/i] I’m not the slightest bit embarrassed nor do I have any reason to be, hence why I am happy to share our discourse; you continue to call me a coward, but I stand by what I have said. [b][i]Your arguments were lousy and proven wrong.[/b][/i] Again, where was I wrong in the following position?: Cannabis should be legalised but we should also educate people on the risks. [i][b]I also proved you wrong by inviting you to speak to some patients from my old dispensary.[/i][/b] That would not prove me wrong since I have not once argued once that [i]everyone[/i] suffers complications. None the less, some people do, as you have conceded. These are risks to be aware of for the potential user since said risks may or may not be applicable to potential users. Duh. [b][i]It doesn't matter how many fools side with you, you were still proven wrong.[/b][/i] Again, where was I wrong in the following position?: Cannabis should be legalised but we should also educate people on the risks. [b][i]someone even tried making a thread showing me people don't want it, and it blew up in their face as the majority of people stated it is harmless.[/b][/i] #1 I endorse the legalisation of pot, and I'm not arguing that people do not want that. I have endorsed the legalisation of pot throughout. THROUGHOUT!!! #2 Anyone making the claim that it is totally harmless is wrong, as we have concluded through our discourse. [b][i]Everyone has bias, but I was actually able to back mine up unlike you.[/i][/b] No. I have no bias on the subject, apart from being responsible. The only thing you’ve backed up is my point, such that you’ve even gone back on your initial statement. Originally it was "pot is totally harmless." Now you're conceding that there are health risks for some people. Your bias has effected your ability to follow the discussion, substantiated by the fact that you have several times completely misunderstood my argument and put words in my mouth because my contribution wasn’t foaming at the mouth “pot is perfect” endorsement, aka unbalanced. [b][i]I proved to you that cannabis does not cause psychosis but instead can trigger it.[/b][/i] I never said it did. I have never once said cannabis was the cause of a mental health issues. I have said it can induce psychosis which is pretty much exactly to say the drug can trigger a psychotic episode. Learn to read. [b][i]It makes perfect sense to those with reason and an understanding of psychosis. Of course it makes no sense to an uneducated person like you. That's why you continued to humiliate yourself even after you were proven wrong. You clearly don't understand how the mind and these illnesses work. Literally alcohol, food, sex or smells could all trigger that psychosis just the same as cannabis.[/b][/i] This is a silly comparison. [b][i]No, it's based on simple science. I never claimed all psychosis is solely from their mind, but that cannabis DEFINITELY can NOT cause psychosis.[/i][/b] Again, I never said it did. I have never once said cannabis was the cause of a mental health issues. I have said it can induce psychosis which is pretty much exactly to say the drug can trigger a psychotic episode. Learn to read. [i][b] Period.http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0920996413006105 There was also the Harvard study I posted, and plenty of other sources as well. You were the only one making false assumptions about me to the point of pathetic obsession. Alcohol is most often the cause of these problems, not cannabis. I guess you're telling these people they should never have food since it MIGHT trigger an episode. [/i][/b] I’ve never said people shouldn’t smoke weed. Not once. I've said people should consider the risks and therefore by all logic consider whether those risks are applicable to them. I’ve many times argued it should be legalised. You’re putting words in my mouth again. [b][i]Of course, people with these problems should avoid ALL habit-forming activities, but of everything they could choose, cannabis is their best bet and actually helps treat most forms of psychosis and treats schizophrenia quite well.[/b][/i] Not necessarily, cannabis use can seriously exacerbate mental health issues. That’s a key point we agree on. It’s the basis of my entire argument that you concede: there are health risks for some potential users. Some potential users may be totally unaware they are at risk. [i][b]We had quite a few of these patients at my dispensary, and no, not one of them claimed cannabis caused them. [/i][/b] Again, I have never once said that cannabis causes mental illness. You haven’t been following what I have said. [b][i]There's a reason cannabis is becoming legal in this country, it's because we know what you're saying is complete BS. Your lies aren't working anymore. [/b][/i] I haven’t lied. You’ve completely misunderstood my entire position. [b][i]I never once said everyone was risk-free when using cannabis, if you ever took the time to listen.[/b][/i] But you have said in response to the point raising there are risks: [i]"Actually, cannabis is extremely good for you. It's also perfectly harmless."[/i] - Cam [i]"there ARE no harms from cannabis"[/i] - Cam See comments in the sub-thread for my post on May 13th at the following thread: https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/121107943/0/0 [b][i]It's not for everyone. The simple fact remains that it can NOT harm you unless you have some kind of rare allergy, in which case, you still couldn't put the fault on cannabis itself.[/b][/i] Not true. There are many other situations in which it can be harmful for someone to use the drug. We've been over one of them specifically. And whether or not it's the fault of the drug itself, or the drug was merely the trigger of an episode, does not negate that there is a risk, nor the responsibility to educate people about those risks. [b][i]You can NOT overdose on this substance. Period.[/b][/i] I never said that you could. [b][i]It will not harm you. Period.[/b][/i] No, not "period." You're contradicting yourself. As we have discussed, it depends on the individual. Hence why I have said from the beginning: legalise, but educate on the risks. [b][i]Any "harm" is the result of combustion or the individual user that should avoid all substances,[/b][/i] Hence why I have said from the beginning: legalise, but educate on the risks. [b][i]…fast food, unusual sex etc.[/b][/i] Nothing but pure exaggeration. [b][i]Again, I've known many doctors that agree with me.[/b][/i] Nonsense. No responsible doctor would prescribe any medication to a patient without considering if the patient is at risk of some sort of negative side-effect. [b][i]I wouldn't care if one hit of cannabis caused death, it should still be legal. People have every right to destroy their own lives.[/b][/i] I have endorsed the legalisation of pot throughout. THROUGHOUT!!! You pretty much agree with me yet have misunderstood my entire argument. If you go back and read through it, you will see that.

I always held that position, because cannabis IS harmless. What you were getting at is as stupid as saying water has killed people in the past so it's harmful, when water itself is not. Any harm associated with it is due to other factors. You claimed cannabis causes psychosis which is simply not true. I've always maintained that certain individuals should avoid it, such as those that can become psychologically addicted to it, but that doesn't mean cannabis itself is addictive. That's the difference, and that's all I've been trying to clarify. I never insult first, that is a fact. I don't enjoy insulting at all and avoid it at all costs, but after the insults start flinging then I let loose. Your own words were emotional attack... "Cannabis should be legalised but we should also educate people on the risks." I have no problem with that, as long as you are concise in your education and careful with your choice of words. I have no problem with someone claiming cannabis use can trigger a schizophrenic episode in someone that has NEVER shown signs of it, but cannabis has never once been proven to cause schizophrenia in and of itself. Really, we agree strongly here, because I believe ALL drugs should be legal, and that education of the harms should be jammed down everyone's throats, as long as we're approaching it in an honest and intelligent way. There was a drastic decrease in cigarette consumption in the '70s due to awareness, it doesn't take a law to make that happen, and I appreciate you not supporting prohibition even with your beliefs, so I have no ill-will towards you, or anyone really. Along with that education should be a complete topic on mental disorders and their effects exacerbated by any specific behavior. Of course someone we think would have more trouble than benefit with cannabis shouldn't take it, and I've always said it's not for everyone, but that number is much better with cannabis abuse than with any other drug, as well as many other activities. I would obviously prefer someone abusing cannabis rather than food. And while schizophrenia is a horrific illness, it in and of itself will not harm a person, but rather make them a danger to themselves. That's not to make light of the condition, I've seen it, and it's nothing anyone should have to go through. Really, I hope we have a better understanding from this point, because I'm too lazy to go through the rest of your post.

[b][i]I always held that position, because cannabis IS harmless. What you were getting at is as stupid as saying water has killed people in the past so it's harmful. [/b][/i] I have never said anything that comparably damning of cannabis or even close, and I challenge you to substantiate that. Massive dishonest exaggeration you've drawn there. [b][i]You claimed cannabis causes psychosis which is simply not true. [/b][/i] I have not. I have discussed cannabis and drug-induced psychosis as a potential risk. You seem to think "drug-induced psychosis" means "drug caused a permanent mental health condition." It does not. There are endless recoded cases of cannabis use having induced psychotic episodes, which doctors refer to as “drug induced psychosis” or “drug induced psychotic episodes.” This is fact. This does not mean the person is forever psychotic or now has schizophrenia. It can merely mean they have had a short psychotic episode (one which as you pointed out, the person may well have had a susceptibility to). From the very beginning my argument has been that people should be educated about such potential risks as said risks may or may not be applicable. If you read through my posts, you will see I have always referred to drug induced psychosis and never stated that cannabis causes permanent mental health conditions.