Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous.
I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."?
This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly.
http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png
And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...)
http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png
And most Destiny revolvers are like this.
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress.
It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version.
http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png
Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits
There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers.
So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs.
*sigh*
http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png
So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys!
And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw.
http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg
Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why?
Maybe Scout Rifles will be better?
I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb.
http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png
Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie!
inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense...
EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg
EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same.
To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else...
http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv
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The only assumption I can make out of it is that the game is rated T right? So Bungie probably doesnt want some kid knowing the actual mechanics of guns and get curious thinking there a Guardian in real life and steal there parents gun and shoot there eye out or worse blow some ones head off.
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Regarding your revolver gripe, the best revolver I have has the barrel aligned with the bottom of the cylinder. Greatly reduces the recoil, it's a beast. http://www.gunsumerreports.com/Chiappa_Rhino_60DS/Chiappa_Rhino_60DS_000.jpg
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I always wondered how the -blam!- a scout rifle worked, and the new ones...that mag...the...how??
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It's called a game where you can make big purple bubbles I think we can get past the aspect of reality and it is only a GAME
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Edited by Zoop: 6/1/2015 3:46:21 PMNone of this is confirmed, but rather an interpretation. All carryable items are digitized (thats why you can pull a sparrow out of your pocket). Its futuristic scifi tech that allows you to 'spawn' an object out of data. There is a whole lot more wrong with most weapons, how come a perk can suddenly make heads explode, or increase magazinesize (especially silly with handcannons with fixed chambers to hold the bullets). Its because the weapon you hold is only a physical representation. Its isnt an actual gun, its more or less a program with variables. The way it looks and handles is just for aestethetic purposes and guardians handling a weapon they know. So it doesnt matter if the barrel is aligned with the hammer and all, its there so it represents a gun, but has no actual function unless used as such (like the last word). This also explains why most guns can shoot an element (you couldnt explain that in real world physics either). Also why an old looking weapon like No Land Beyond functions as well as the more futuristic looking weapons like mythoclast. Tl;dr, the explanation still is just space magic.
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Edited by sasukeyr: 6/1/2015 3:47:23 PM1. Title bait. GTFO attention whore. 2. It's a video game. Get over it. 3. Base mechanics my ass.
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Chill out some more, watch this and your worries will go away https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ETfiUYij5UE
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Bruhhh chill is just a game.
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Space magic man. Just leave it alone. I'm assuming Star Wars is unwatchable for you due to how everything defines the laws of physics.
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We're also running around on the surface of Venus
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Yes these guns are so unrealistic. But sunset overdrive weapons are mirror image to real weapons
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This is a video game, they can design the guns however they want. If this really bothers you, sign up for a position at Bungie and do something about it. Chill out :)
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Chiappa Rhino That is all
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You do realize its a video game right. It doesnt want to make sense. Your probably the type of person that goes to movies and points out all the illogical things in a fight scene. No one likes people like you. Either shut up and enjoy it like the rest of us or leave and keep to urself. Simple
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Chiappa Rhino, pretty sure the Destiny design is based off this in regards to hand cannons...
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Lol! The portal reference sums it all up bro. No more explaining needed. Maybe bungie took notes.
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Dude the games based in like the 3000 and it's all futuristic so why don't you come to the conclusion that the design of the guns aren't how we make them now....Dumbass
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They also don't know how stories work either.
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Need to add the pump after reloading a shotgun to your list. Some of the weapons in the game have beautiful design, and is probably why Hawkmoon and MIDA are my two favorites. Mida I can only assume cycles the rounds up into the chamber through magnetics, and use an electrical discharge system to function properly. To all the haters here, yea it's a game, and yea it's fun. But it's the details that really make something shine. Also, as a fellow firearms operator, these things do matter to the overall feel of the game. All you haters, go to the range, try out a few different firearms, and do your research on how precise these machines need to be in order to avoid critical failures, then you will understand why people like the OP and I feel this way. I advise you try a few different models when you go. Handguns; Glock 17, M1911 Shotgun; 12 gauge, Browning or Benelli Rifles; AR-15, AK-47, springfield M1903, M1 Garand, 50 Cal Benelli BMG Also, games dont do justice to how amazing the Red Dot sight, and reflex sights really are! Of course permitting where you live, as some might not be available in your state, or country (full auto weapons are prohibited in Canada for example). Once you pick up shooting, I guarantee you will pick up your controller less!
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You do realize that the whole plot of the game is set in space, fighting aliens, and using mythical weapons right? None of it is realistic dude.
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Here's your answer[spoiler]space magic!!!!![/spoiler]
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I don't think you should play games that exist in a fantasy setting. You are a downer.
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Destiny is not anything near "modern warfare" so why would the guns look similar.
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... you're confusing fiction and reality. seriously.
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Replace firearms with weapons, the could not even get the melee right :(
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Your argument holds no ground in a world were you can teleport, and revive people from the dead you don't think they can make weapons any way they choose ? I mean they mastered space travel, and launching energy blast out of there hands........ And your questioning the guns LMAO