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Edited by JustOnePepsi: 6/1/2015 4:06:26 PM
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Bungie doesn't understand how firearms work.

Alright, I need to get this off my chest. Has anyone else noticed how absolutely stupid the design of many of the weapons in Destiny are? I mean who designed these things? They make no sense! The hand cannons and LMGs especially. The cylinder sits ABOVE the barrel, and the hammer sits ABOVE the cylinder on most of them. That just wouldn't work. There is no universe in which that works. And the belts on most of the LMGs feed into a chamber that is, again, physically placed ABOVE the barrel. It's just ridiculous. I mean, did nobody at Bungie look at these and think "yeah, that's just absurd..."? This is a REAL hand cannon. Note how the barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all perfectly aligned. This allows the weapon to function properly. http://i.imgur.com/vMEk2qQ.png And this is a common Destiny hand cannon. Note how the barrel sits aligned with the very bottom of the cylinder, and the hammer is aligned with the top. It makes no sense. (we won't even go into the fact that there is no way for the bullets to even leave the cylinder on most of these...) http://i.imgur.com/XBvpTOn.png And most Destiny revolvers are like this. http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140624222458/destinypedia/images/d/d1/Regulator_Mk._43.jpg <an even worse offender considering how high the hammer sits, but I digress. It would be one thing if this were a case of simply "whoever designed these obviously has no clue..." but then there's Hawkmoon. Hawkmoon is how ALL of them should be. Hawkmoon's barrel, cylinder, and hammer are all properly aligned. Hawkmoon is actually a realistic weapon. A skilled gunsmith could probably make a fully functional Hawkmoon that you could hold and fire, and which looks nearly identical to the in-game version. http://i.imgur.com/Sdjmwmd.png Now, there ARE real-world revolvers that have barrels mounted in a fashion in which the round in the bottom of the cylinder is fired instead of the top. An example of this is the Mateba auto-revolver. Though you notice on the Mateba, the hammer is also mounted lower, because it HAS to be in order to strike the rounds themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHxo2cHsits There are others as well which don't have hammers at all, and use a firing pin system instead (sort of like a Glock), which would explain how the weapons in Destiny are able to work, though not int he case of a barrel being misaligned with the cylinder. This is also unlikely because in those instances, the hammer would be superfluous. It has no purpose... which is obviously not the case in Destiny, as all of the hand cannons have hammers. So the design of the hand cannons is completely borked in almost every instance except Hawkmoon... let's move on to LMGs. *sigh* http://i.imgur.com/E1l2LvT.png So... the belt feeds rounds into the chamber which sits... ABOVE the barrel? Come on, guys! And once again, there's ONE exotic that doesn't have this extreme design flaw. http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20150404021712/destinypedia/images/6/6e/Thunderlord.jpg Which means you KNOW how it's [i]supposed[/i] to work, but 99% of them are designed in a way in which they are physically incapable of working... why? Maybe Scout Rifles will be better? I was surprised to find that the barrel and chamber on most of the scout rifles, auto rifles, and pulse rifles seem to be aligned relatively well. At least, they don't appear as though they'll suffer a critical malfunction the first time you attempt to fire them as the MGs and Hand Cannons do. But then I realized that the chamber, magazine, and the thumb-hole in the frame all seem to line up perfectly... meaning that the only way the rounds are making it to the chamber from the magazine is through your thumb. http://i.imgur.com/I04X3sc.png Am I nitpicking? Yup! Does it bother me? Yup! If you're going to design weapons... you need to either do it right, or not at all. There's no reason why a few weapons should be plausible (all gameplay mechanics aside), while the rest are so outlandishly stupid as to be visibly impossible to anyone paying attention. Get it together, Bungie! inb4 "space magic" means these all make sense... EDIT: You know what? I was wrong. About all of it. I'm pretty sure it all basically just works like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGPIQ72-2Vg EDIT2: June 1st. I must say... this thread has gone on far longer than I expected it to. some may have figured it out from my replies to them or others throughout, but I never really took this topic seriously. The above was mostly meant as satire, while also inviting discussion as to the visual aspect of how the weapons in Destiny work. It has been quite entertaining, for both myself, and I'm sure quite a few others. There have been some great exchanges with others who had a sense of humor, as well as some who attempted to form an intellectual counter-argument and participate in debates. Others were less than intelligent, but I still enjoyed the replies all the same. To anyone reading this now with the intention of commenting along the lines of "it's just a game", or "calm down", or "you're an idiot", or "it's not real!" or whatever else... http://i.imgur.com/U7Ghu2s.gifv

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  • Edited by SirOtter: 5/25/2015 9:07:06 AM
    Two words. Space magic.

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    • Hate to break it to you champ, but there would be a very very small percentage of people who would look at the guns in destiny and go, "that's ridiculous!! How dare they not design them 100% correctly!?". So no, I don't think bungie looked at them and went "this is just absurd". They probably just thought they looked cool. You wrote a massive wall of text over a non-issue.

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      • Space magic! Lol. Thoughts on the vex firing mechanics? This bugged me too, but only when I look at items in my inventory. Shooting them works/looks fine so I don't really care. Except some of the reloading animations, but I try not to notice.

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        • [quote]Alright, I need to get this off my chest. I'm an idiot who knows nothing about what thought process Bungie was using designing the guns. Also I don't even know what the firing mechanisms in the gun actually look like. Therefore making me look like a further idiot for making this post. I wasted about 5 hours doing all this writing and finding the image for this post, in those 5 hours I could have taken my yearly shower, brushed my teeth for the first time in 18 years, and shaved for the first time since I started growing peach fuzz.[/quote] Fixed it for everyone. You are welcome.

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          • But for real why we still using revolvers in the future

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            • It's just a game

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              • Space magic

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              • TLDR

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                • I'm not saying you aren't right but they do look amazing and even though you've called it... ...SPACE MAGIC!!! :p

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                • Great post. The design of some of the hand cannons pisses me off (Timurs Lash is the worst offender)

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                • Edited by solid stone1993: 5/25/2015 6:47:14 AM
                  It bugged me at first but the way I see it (especially in handcannons) is that you aren't firing bullets, you're firing some sort of energy. That's why the cylinder looks like a battery and no bullets are visible. That's how I justify it anyway. Handcannons were the only ones that threw me off as making no sense mechanically. Everything else was fine. Edit: I'll just sum it up to all guns in this game firing energy. Look at the new scout rifle models, the clip is replaced with what looks like a freaking CO2 cartridge in a paintball gun. And it connects TO THE HANDLE.

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                  • Lol wow really? I'm in disbelief you wrote paragraphs about this. Wow. Just wow.

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                    • A lot of thought went into this for no reason

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                      • Agree on LMG issue, some look dumb Disagree on HC issue, Chiappa Rhino does the same thing with low barrel / high hammer The secret? Visible hammer is ergonomic device only, true hammer is internal via cam Scouts, possibility the chamber is farther back? What bugs me more is the scope being so high up from barrel , parallax much ? Real issue : Wtf do I pull the charging lever when I am partial reloading and a round was left in the chamber ?

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                        • Reign it in, there, call of duty elitist. This is not a military simulator. This doesn't even take place in a time period that we can pinpoint, so why are you taking issue with imaginary, virtual guns that may or may not be a plausible answer in today's world? I'm sorry, did you live in the destiny universe? Do you know all of the facts? Do you know how the firing mechanisms changed between this time in game and Destiny's "present?" Because if you know these things, that would have been MUCH better context, and you could have told the Destiny community that these things don't actually work. My next question really falls on your background; are you a firearms enthusiast, or are you an firearms engineer? Do you build guns, or do you just own/look at them in magazines and gun stores? This goes beyond nit picking. Now, you're just looking for an issue. Do you take into consideration the angles at which you view the guns? Do you know of a fusion rifle that exists, right now? How about a handgun that shoots void ammunition? How about a rocket launcher that can split into smaller rockets (without exploding) that track (with discretion, and only hostile targets) an enemy? The sci-fanta-fiction here isn't meant to give you a sense of reality. You want that, find the game for me. Video games are meant to be a source of entertainment, not give the player a sense of realism, and I think that's really where you went wrong, here. You were so busy looking for something to complain about, you made yourself a target in a community just as poisonous as you're trying to be. It's a gun, in a game, that has no bearing on your day to day life. Simply; move on from it.

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                          • You're right! The guns wouldn't work in real life! Hey bungie, you suck! These guns would never work! And hey, turns out if u try to walk around mars or venus you'll die! And there isn't actually a queen in the reef! This game is a farce, we should never play again until bungie makes a space magic game that's more realistic! [spoiler]#satire[/spoiler]

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                          • You got to relax buddy. You can't let a game about shooting aliens and robots with cartoonish guns and nova bombs get to you. You'll go insane, or at the very least write a long winded post about weapon engineering in a cartoonish ga.......... oh..... too late.

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                            • Someone please insert the Peter Griffin "O my god who the hell cares" meme here

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                              • This is your complaint? This is a game with alien races, terraforming by a giant alien sphere, chilling out on Mercury, and being able to self resurrect from death or pop a void bubble around yourself. How long did it take you to write this post?

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                                • This! First time I got a Timur's Lash I thought to myself,"how the hell do I shoot people with this? Space magic?" Bungie, you are drunk.

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                                  • I'm more concerned that all titans can't see through their helmets.

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                                    • You think that's bad, check out their idea of ship design...LOL, as in F"ing lol.

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                                      • It's really lame and frustrating when your a firearms enthusiast and a game you play seems to be making guns that would never ever work in real life. It's like they intentionally tried to make them non functional, probably due to legal hind end covering. It's a bunch of nonsense. People who don't care are just not getting it. You don't ask a car builder to be excited by your little tykes foot driven toy.

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                                        • Sci-fi and space magic say no.[spoiler]*cough*[/spoiler]

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                                        • Edited by felonious206: 5/25/2015 8:24:01 AM
                                          The mk 34 looks like a pump hand cannon lol

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                                        • It's just a bit of creative licence - no biggy. Had to laugh though when I noticed the Unwilling Soul I got recently has 'rifled barrel' as a *perk*. Why yes, Dead Orbit, I think rifling the barrel of my AR [i]would[/i] improve its performance if it's presumably smoothbore now :/

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