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Actually, machine guns do in fact load above the barrel. Only slightly though. The round is pushed forward by the bolt and then pushed down in to chamber. This is done in this manner because the spent casings are ejected from the bottom of the weapon and the links that hold the rounds together in a belt, also known as a disintegrating belt, are ejected to the side. As far as hand cannons are concerned, if you look at the ammunition cylinder that is used in the weapon it appears to have a pin in the middle of it. This could be a firing pin extension. This similar to the way Barreta makes or used to make their pistols. They would spilt the firing pin into two parts and one part would actually be incorporated in to the safety mechanism. As far as hand cannons go in Destiny. I imagine that what happens is that a round is dropped into a center chamber within the ammunition cylinder where it lines up with the firing pinm once the round is fired it returns to its original position. This would actually be an ideal design as it would shift the recoil from the top of the weapon to the bottom of the weapon. The rocket launchers are a bit perplexing but it's possible the round are loaded into a single cartridge one behind the other. This would be similar to the way Metalstorm weapons are, where they use a stick of ammunition loaded into the barrel and the weapon. If you want to know anything else feel free to ask. I worked on weapons for a little over year so I hve a pretty decent handle on some things.
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  • Yes, "slightly"... by a measure of centimeters at most. Not to the extend shown in most of the MGs (and remember, the most realistic representation is within the game itself, shown on the Thunderlord). The hand cannons couldn't be made that way though, as the center is still used to attach the cylinder (as seen in the reload animations), while the barrel on most of them is aligned with the very bottom edge of the cylinder, as seen in the second image I posted. I appreciate your knowledge and attempted explanation though.

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  • Edited by SoldierOfFilth: 5/25/2015 11:22:55 AM
    M2 Browning Machinegun has almost an inch between where the round is loaded and where it is chambered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bb4GWulXVxg Just a short GIF of the Kriss Super V and how dynamic weapon function is getting these days http://imgur.com/gallery/GpeEXny In the case of the P90 the rounds are loaded into a maggazine that parrallel with the length of the weapon. Before a round is fired, the round loaded into the weapon, turned around right-a-ways, and then chambered. http://i.imgur.com/92wYE6m.gifv The scout rifle you showed was a bullpup, not sure if you are familiar with them. Chances are, with the magazine being so close to the grip, that it is a small calibre round, probably closer to a pistol round. https://shotshowreviewsdotcom.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/iwi_us_tavor_sar_16.jpg What I am trying to get at here is not that you are wrong. The point that I am getting at is that there are people who spend their entire lives engineering things. Just because we don't don't understand something, doesn't mean that it can't exist. It just means that we're not privy to the information of how it works.

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  • Edited by JustOnePepsi: 5/25/2015 11:29:15 AM
    Compare http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140629135301/destinypedia/images/e/e3/Tamerlane-B.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Improved_M249_Machine_Gun.jpg EDIT: I will concede that the MGs in Destiny are plausible though. Some just don't make as much sense when compared to modern LMGs (which is what they're obviously based on). Also, the Kriss Vector is one of my favorite modern firearms. Mechanically, it's a deceptively simple design though.

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  • Yes, I am familiar with the m249. However, you are comparing a weapon that was designed in the 80s, with a weapon that was designed as if it was 100 or 200 years ahead of our current time. In this case I feel I must quote Arthur C. Clarke "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic". However I would argue that the weapons in destiny are not all that advanced. Lets look at the image you posted of the Tamerlane shall we. I believe the loading mechanism might not be too dissimilar from what we see in the M2 Browning Machine Gun, where an arm rides up to the feed tray and pulls the round down on the face of the bolt. In fact looking at the Tamerlane - B there seems to be more than enough space in the sloped area just behind the feed tray for just such a mechanism. If it doesn't like like an M249, then chances are it doesn't operate like an M249.

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  • :et's also be fair that the reason there's almost a one inch drop on the m2 is because the round itself is one-half inch in diameter.

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  • A fair point.

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