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Edited by XcEvilGenius:
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Do You Agree with Bungivision's "Philosophy"?
Destiny is ment for XB1/PS4( of course last gen consoles as well). Deej gave the following in reply to Optional MM:
[quote]At current, our philosophy about endgame content is that part of the challenge includes forming up a team. This is a strong community filled with players who are looking for teammates. Why not seek each other out here and band together?[/quote]
[quote]Why not Seek each other out here and band together?[/quote]
The game is ment for the consoles said above but yet deej and the gang want us to use A PC website or Mobile APP that is MANUAL MM than having to work and implement OPTIONAL MM in Game.
Does that make sense to you guardians?
Do understand Optional MM would in no way negatively affect gameplay;since it is Optional you can choose to form teams or apply for one.
Next Gen consoles are suppose to be better than last gen. How is using tools out of console to play games in the console reasonable? They do not even have a PC version of the Game. Not all 12 year olds have cell phones(targeted audience).
[quote] part of the challenge includes forming up a team. [/quote]
What deej is saying is. " We don't have enough content to keep you interested for this 10 year plan, so we decided to extend gameplay by putting up barriers such as no Chat Box or Optional MM for Almost all Endgame content because we want it to be challenging."
[b]Do you think the game is challenging enough without having to look for a team guardians?
Do you understand that this game is in no way dependent upon Using a Mic and having friends? Shoot, jump, Super, Rez not that hard to do. Especially when it is only from a PUSH of a button. Players are not incompetent and do not need to be hand held through an entire strike or raid ect.
The only reason for the comment deej posted about Optional MM is the following:
They want us to play the game the way they want us too. Meaning they don't care if we like it or not. And as many times as we have given positive feedback to help the game, they only reply ONCE(No Discussion) to those that INTEREST them like patching the cheeses but not fixing the actual bugs in the Raids, adding a purple ball to tower ect. Ect.
Point is the Philosophy of Bungie Vision is Flawed.
The game itself should be challenging not forming a team to play through a simple Grind. [/b]
Do you guardians agree? Please leave your feedback and if there is something you like me to add by all means comment. :)
Here you will find more reasons why Optional MM should be added to all Game Modes.
[spoiler] [quote]Great post, finding a group is my least favorite part of this game, matchmaking should be optional. My friends list is full of random strangers ive played with once and never doing what I am when I am. I have a strong feeling that they will never even comment on it again, but will slip it in as a strong selling point for destiny 2 to try to get more people to continue feeding their 10 year cash conveyor. [/quote]
[quote]Here's a slick idea too. Why would they not have it set up to where after clearing the level 28 PoE, they give the group the option to continue together straight into the level 32?
Wouldn't that go a long way towards increasing in-game friendships?
No, our philosophy is that we want you to finish, leave and have to send invites and regroup and only run it on 32 if all the hoops are cleared.
I've doubled my Destiny friends list in the last week... Because of the matchmaking they did put in.
And anyone who says people won't talk are crazy.
No one has talked in the level 28s I've run, but everyone has plugged in mics for the 32. People talk when content dictates they need to. [/quote]
[quote]We need matchmaking nobody want to keep adding random people as friends. It gets so hard to have the same person online next time when u play. So that means add more friends and most the times your friends be doing something with other people that means add more friends. Do we have nothing else to do rather than keep adding people as friends and waste hours and hours on these stupid lfg sites. [/quote]
[quote] [quote] Why not Seek each other out here and band together?[/quote]
Because it's a drag, takes forever, requires a third-party site and results in being paired with two strangers anyway.
Just give us a button for MM so people can use it or ignore it as they see fit. [/quote]
[quote]Well said. Optional MM is exactly the same thing as finding/joining up with random players via the forums/website. Why don't people understand this? I am so tired of the argument "if you add optional MM all you'll get is AFK players". That's an invalid argument since people who want to let others do the work can likewise use the forums/sites to ride the coat tails of others. If I'm on the site looking for other solo players who want to do PoE guess what? We're random solo players looking for other random solo players. To be blunt the only people who want to ban optional MM are those who are on a misguided crusade as Destiny purists or those who get their jollies by keeping "less serious" gamers from accessing endgame content.
Note: My opinion on optional MM applies only to ROC strike list, weekly heroic, nightfall and PoE. MM for VoG or CE would be an absolute joke because those are highly complex raids by comparison and would be a disaster [/quote]
[quote] Why didnt they just make Destiny available for PC? I mean.....we LFG through a website....Should have just made an LFG feature in the game. I didnt buy a console game only to have to use other resources to locate fireteams. [/quote]
[quote]Edit: So this was posted pre-HoW. I've since played PoE and still believe optional matchmaking should be available for the higher difficulties.
I was originally matched random with 2 people who weren't talking. We beat the level 28 and they sent me an invite.
They'd been in a private party chat and so we ran the 32 and beat it. Then they had to log off.
If we'd been matchmade for the level 32, there'd have been absolutely no difference. Some may argue that the system worked because we beat the 28 and moved on together, but there's a problem with that.
While it was great to run another, if people have to leave or can't run more and no one is on your friends list to run, then you're stuck with no way to progress without having to find randoms on LFG sites or spamming players.
Also, if you're attempting a run and one person has to leave, you could also be screwed. There's no reason in that situation to not be able to queue for a third person.
There is no more chance of success on lfg sites vs in game matchmaking.[/quote]
[quote]Edit: So this was posted pre-HoW. I've since played PoE and still believe optional matchmaking should be available for the higher difficulties.
I was originally matched random with 2 people who weren't talking. We beat the level 28 and they sent me an invite.
They'd been in a private party chat and so we ran the 32 and beat it. Then they had to log off.
If we'd been matchmade for the level 32, there'd have been absolutely no difference. Some may argue that the system worked because we beat the 28 and moved on together, but there's a problem with that.
While it was great to run another, if people have to leave or can't run more and no one is on your friends list to run, then you're stuck with no way to progress without having to find randoms on LFG sites or spamming players.
Also, if you're attempting a run and one person has to leave, you could also be screwed. There's no reason in that situation to not be able to queue for a third person.
There is no more chance of success on lfg sites vs in game matchmaking.[/quote]
[quote]The mission in HoW was the first I personally saw of the VoG. I tried some lfg sites and even had a team a couple times but they didn't want someone completely new and one or more members left.
That is MY experience with external lfg sites. I work a lot, 60+ hour work weeks. The times I got full groups it took 30 minutes, and then they didn't even work out. So I'm left with the choice to forego something else in my life (sleep, time with family, etc.) In order to get a group and run the raid. Running the raid will take enough time I'm certain but waiting 30 minutes before even running the raid...just doesn't make sense. So I choose to not partake in end game activities in Destiny.
Optional matchmaking would at least eliminate part of that time. I recognize I still may never complete the raid whether because of afkers or just bad players (possibly myself included in that one) but at least I'd get the opportunity to try.[/quote]
the List will continue to grow!! :)
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[b]Like the Post if your With me on this as many other guardians Are! [/b]
"Stop enabling Bizarro Bungie, it's time for endgame matchmaking." by Lost Sols~ like his thread if you agree!
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/123493876/0/0
"Making a list of disappointments with destiny (that's feedback)"
by DestinysInBeta~ like his Thread if you Agree!
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/121013862/0/0
"No Matchmaking? In game LFG?" By Tymus_The_Wolf~ like his Thread If You Agree!
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/124128876/0/0
"Here's why you're (still) wrong about matchmaking, Bungie." By Lost Sols~ Like His Thread If You Agree!
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/120279239/0/0
"Optional Matchmaking / LFG: Raids, Nightfall, Weekly Heroic" By Der Sheff~ like His Thread if you Agree!
https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/102878440/0/0
[b]May the Light Always Be With You![/b]
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https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/128931124/0/0
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2 RepliesIf anyone wants to take the time to get some advice on how to join a group and how it benefits casual and hardcore players alike then pm me. Im done trying to convince players who wont listen. Many of you simply just can't look past your negative thoughts to actually understand how simple the groups system is.
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Matchmaking should be implemented solely because lfg limits who can actually play end game content... I haven't been able to do a single higher level PoE run because I'm kicked from every group I try since I don't have gally. In game matchmaking would (hopefully) curb the elitism a bit.
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OMM FTW!!
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"Gets 4 in game emotes","is told to form a team"....-_-
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5 RepliesAnd of course it's a low level who wants this matchmaking because no one wants to play with you because you suck.
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1 ReplyWhy don't you just join an active clan? Matchmaking optional or not would not work for difficult high level activities as you need communication and players who want to work together. Being part of one or more active groups/clans is a far better option. Once you add members to your friends list on your console all you need to do is choose who you want to play with. The solution is already available and takes less effort than complaining on the forums.
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2 RepliesFyi pc version of destiny coming in July August time frame
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3 RepliesI'd like to see you do that to skolas or crota or atheon. Just burton mashing will not get you anywhere. And while the game is family oriented, the base audience of attended is not 12 year olds.
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1 ReplyEdited by PennyRoyal77: 6/9/2015 7:00:37 PMIf Bungie's philosophy on this topic was applied to the NFL, the players would also be the GM, assembling the team, in order to increase the challenge of the game... The race car driver would complete their own pre-race registration paperwork as well as performing their own pit maintenance as part of the challenge... Tom Brady would deflate his own balls before an AFC championship game to decrease the challenge of the game (had to go there ;)... Car dealerships would give you detailed build instructions as well as access to the assembly line to increase the challenge of acquiring your new car... I could go on. It's not the most logical philosophy.
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I would say that claiming that the "hassles of forming a group are part of the endgame" is a bit disingenuous since there are no tools whatsoever in the game itself for forming a cohesive team. It's an overly political response to a problem that I am sure Bungie just doesn't have a real answer for. I am mostly of the opinion that provided it is optional everything could have some sort of matchmaking but that having said that I also will never use it myself. Not at all. I think rather than randomized matchmaking for everything a much better response would be to create better tools in game for finding people to do specific content with, or any tools in game for finding people since right now there are none. But in all honesty that would require a lot of work, and I just don't see Bungie doing that. Not for this game, atleast. I'd say hopefully this is something bungie hopes to address down the road possibly in Destiny 2 but, frankly, I just don't see current day bungie being that intelligent. I very much get the sense that the amount of people and concern and priority for this current game is pretty small. It's a skeleton crew coming up with quick fixes and half measures to maintain as much interest as they can while the next game is being developed, hopefully taking all the bad decisions from this game into consideration. But at the same time, MMOs and diablo clones have been relying on poorly disguised skinner boxes and RNG for a long ass time now. And while a fair amount of people find that approach pretty vapid, there are still tons of people who don't seem to be aware, or possibly just don't care. It's entirely possible that this is bungie's end game. And as long as enough people don't catch on they can still turn a profit. It's very clear that this wasn't the game we were promised. But that doesn't seem to stop people from playing it. The whole plan could just be smoke and mirrors. I hope it's not, but at the same time, that hope is pretty easily exploited, apparently.
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4 RepliesEdited by MrMikeyDmason: 6/9/2015 6:49:07 PMI feel like the tower should have chat, and so too should chat be enabled with nearby guardians for patrol. This would make it easier to find friends. And they need an all chat at the begining and end of a pvp match so I can smack talk and praise enemies/allies
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Falcon bump! ✊
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2 Replies[i][b]Water(Guardians) Does Not Resist, Water Flows, When you Plunge your Hand into it, All you Feel is a Caress. Water is not a Solid Wall,I It will not Stop You, But Water Always Goes Where it Wants To Go(OPMM), Dripping Water Wears Away Stone(Bungivision). Remember that, My Guardians. Remember You Are Half Water. If You Can't Go Through an Obstacle(LFGsites), Go Around it(OPMM). Water Does.[/b][/i]
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It's a cop out for technical difficulties and cheap laziness. Absolutely no reasonable excuse for requiring a PC in order to use a console game,
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11 RepliesEdited by cbrstar: 5/29/2015 8:11:40 PMWhat’s happening right now at Bungie.. CLAN EDITION! Dev1: “Umm Sir, what’s with white hood and robe?” CEO: “I joined one of those new fangled Clans you guys keep talking about.” Dev1: …. CEO: “Yeah it’s great! I’ve got a whole bunch of new best friends, and tonight were going to go raid the Jews or something. I’ll never understand your techy gamer speech, but I’m still excited, as this is going to be my first raid. Dev1: “I think you may have gotten the wrong idea” CEO: “Never mind that, get DeeJ in here pronto” DeeJ: “Hey how can I..Err what’s with white robe?” Dev1: “He joined a clan…” CEO: “Yes I did, and I think you should too! In fact I think everyone should join the clan. That way everyone can be friends, and help each other out on these Raids that no one plays” DeeJ: “Sir you do realize that Johnson is..” CEO: “ Is what, a complete loner? That’s not a nice thing say right in front of the man, besides there’s still patrol for people like him” Dev: “I just don’t know what to say anymore” CEO: “Speaking of Patrol I have to get ready, as were also going out on patrol for some “spooks” tonight. Why they just don’t call them Ghosts I’ll never know. Anyways DeeJ, make sure you get the word out that people need to join a clan, if they want to experience all this game has to offer.
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2 RepliesEdited by TheKungLao: 6/5/2015 9:06:25 PMNo I do not agree with Bungies philosophy. And the statement "We'll find you enemies, we just won't find you friends" is just a bit arrogant and insulting to me. Do you think Bungie would have sold as many copies of Destiny had the people known they would have to use third party to access all end game content. No. Bungie left that little morsel out when they were hyping the game. Truly insulting to me and surely to others as well. Now I use lfg and have friends to play with on occasion but that is not always the case. I sympathize with the people who do not. It can take over an hour to find a full team sometimes. That is not my idea of fun. To all those people who say "It's Bungies game, they can do what they want". I disagree. I bought a product. Not rent, not lease, bought. I have the copy in my possession. Its mine. Bungies not taking it back when I'm done with it. I and everyone else has the right to voice their opinions on their disappointments so Bungie can see that all people don't just blindly follow their philosophy. Hopefully Bungie will learn from their mistakes.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE and a Bump
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1 Replybump!
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1 ReplyDaily bump.
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1 ReplyThe word you're looking for is mentality, not Philosophy, stop using that word incorrectly.
