I'm not sure whether you've gone retarded. PVE players need explosive rounds asshole! As for thorn, don't.touch.my.thorn. You touch it, you have a whole world of reckoning coming your way from Thorny guardians. You complaint about 3 people having thorn. Wait till you get a full fireteam of six wih thorn everywhere in the crucible. Good or bad..we will make sure that DoT will kill you every single time, [i]ass[/i]hole!