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Edited by Lost Sols: 12/7/2015 3:07:53 AM
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Intolerance. Gaming, Destiny and finding common ground in an online world.

[quote]Greetings fellow Guardians, I think a large number of you are aware at this point of the standoff that's been going on between a portion of the community and Bungie over the issue of matchmaking. If you've been on the forums the last week+, you know that I have been involved in this and have tried to reason along with hundreds of other guardians why this issue is so important to us. I have to admit that I was pretty down yesterday. I'd posted on Bungie's stance of not only silence, but removal of posts from the Trending and Highest Rated categories... only to have them remove it too an hour later. As I told another Guardian who found theirself angry with their post removed today, censorship sucks... but when you find you're the one being censored, it is literally like a kick in the gut and it is really hard to not take it personally. I never intended to be here writing these posts, but sometimes you end up places in life where you're given a choice. I love the game and have been a Bungie fan since '02, I don't want to be adversaries with them. So here I am reaching out to you all again (and Bungie, if they care to listen) in one more attempt to convey that we're just trying to reach the same goal of making Destiny the best game it can be. Thank you, Lost Sols[/quote] So I was thinking about all of this this morning. The mm issue, the forum censorship, the hardline stance by Bungie and the division this has caused between members of the community as well as the disconnect between us and Bungie at this point. Yesterday was a struggle and I wasn't sure what today would bring. Then at about 5:30 this morning the supportive posts started coming in and not just from those that have been backing this cause, but new voices adding their support. That helped bouy my spirits quite a bit, but then something else happened. These messages lit up. [quote]Make friends scrub[/quote] [quote]Go to computer games if you want in game matchmaking idiot.[/quote] [quote]Wow your pretty stupid why would there be in game matchmaking were playing on consoles not PCs FYI..[/quote] Nothing terribly over the top for the forums for sure. Muted one. Replied to the other two. One's response was "Queer". It opened my eyes and brought this whole week into focus. This isn't just about whether or not there should or shouldn't be matchmaking in Destiny, this is about showing tolerance for other people and points of view (and yes, it goes both ways). There's no doubt LFG and clans can be great ways to meet people and experience games with them. I don't think anyone who wants matchmaking would deny that. Something else that cannot be denied is indelibly a part of both of those avenues of meeting people is that they're both built on the foundation of not only inclusion, but exclusion as well. This isn't to draw all who use LFG or have clans under one umbrella, but a staple of both forms of grouping is intolerance, preconception and segregation. We've all read hundreds of posts along the lines of "kicked from raid for not having Gjally", "can't get into PoE because don't have Thorn", "kicked a squeaker before loot because he was annoying", etc. Now how many of the thousands of clans or LFG groups actually discriminate against people (gear, age, voice, gender, race, etc)? My guess is that whatever the %, it is far in the minority, but that brings us to the issue of matchmaking. Matchmaking is inherently everything LFG is not. There is no bias, there is no prejudice going in, there is no "must be 32, have big Gjally". Matchmaking treats everyone as equals and some may argue that's for better or worse, but I can say this for a fact. When I'm queueing for a random matchmade game, I don't care if you are old, young, black, white, Asian, straight, gay, male, female, deep voiced or a squeaker. I don't care if you're using Gjallarhorn, Dragon's Breath, Thorn, Up for Anything or any other weapon. All I care is that you try and you do your best at whatever we are trying to achieve. If you have a mic and want to talk that's great. If you just want to play and know what to do, that's great too. The argument that is waged the most against matchmaking is that people won't have mics, they won't have the right weapons, they'll be annoying, they'll be quitters, they'll be scrubs, they'll need to be carried through... The problem is that you don't know what someone is if you never give them a chance. When you tell someone they can't join your group because you don't like their gear or the sound of their voice, you have no idea who the person is that you are turning away. You don't know their capabilities, skill or willingness to do whatever the team needs. You're also not taking a chance to know someone that could potentially end up being a great friend. It's a lesson that could heal so much of what is wrong in this world if we just stopped the FEAR, stopped the HATE and stopped the MISTRUST and started giving each other a chance and realizing we're all the same. We have one life on this planet to live together the best we can, to love the best we can, to make what friends we can and provide the best life and make this world the best place it can be for our families and children. Destiny is a [i]game[/i]. If someone dies and your raid group wipes, it's not going to take food from your table, money from your pocket or draw any blood. So why get mad? Why disparage? Why not help them get better if they need it instead? We are all here because we love playing Destiny. There will always be those that are better and those that need a helping hand. There is no greater chance of coming across someone who is just a bad person in matchmaking as there is in LFG, it's just a misconception and lie perpetuated and hidden behind so people can pick and choose whom they experience content with. The maddening thing is that we are asking in these posts for an option to use matchmaking, so it would have no affect on those that didn't want to use it anyway. Not everyone is going to be a social butterfly. Not everyone is going to have any extra time to go get on their computer and LFG. Not everyone HAS a computer or smartphone to team up outside the game. Not everyone wants to be friends or in a clan, they just want someone to run and experience some content with. Maybe someone isn't talking because they are deaf. Maybe they can't reach out online because they have social anxiety disorder. Maybe they don't want to try to join a clan for fear of rejection. It doesn't matter why someone doesn't want to go outside the game to play it because that is no one's decision or right to judge but their own. Should they be punished and excluded from access to the heart of endgame play because of their reasons? That is the question everyone, including Bungie with their "Philosophy" need to look inside and ask themselves. Bungie. I've saved you for last because I'm sorry, but you've been the biggest disappointment in all of this. You created this game and asked us to populate it. You created this forum and asked us to give thoughts, opinions and feedback to help improve the world of Destiny. You said... [quote]Player feedback is one of the most important components of the conversation on Bungie.net[/quote] [quote]Bungie thrives on feedback. Never feel like you need to stick up for us when you see someone expressing an honest opinion about our games. We’re harder on ourselves than anyone else.[/quote] [quote]If you’d like to see new items placed on this list, start a New Topic on this Feedback board. Popular opinion matters! Topics that trend on this forum are more powerful than comments on this post.[/quote] You told us to forge our own destiny and to become legend. Well here we are, Bungie. We've purchased your game. We've spent thousands of hours in your world. We have fought the Fallen, Hive, Vex and Cabal. Travelled to Mars, the moon and Venus. We have fought in the Crucible and strived for success in Iron Banner. We have populated these forums. We have offered feedback and suggestions. We have started new topics and we have supported each other and posts and ideas for a better Destiny that we believe matter. We've done everything you have asked of us and we've given and invested ourselves in this game. And here we are with a genuine concern and feeling of exclusion and we come to these forums and reach out to you in this medium you've created for us. We've been eloquent, fair and we've made genuine efforts to educate, engage, understand and find common ground and we've grown and learned more about each other all along the way. We've poured our energy and emotions into this and in return we've been given a few stock replies, ignored and worst of all, these topics you've asked us to create, these ideas you've asked us to share, have been routinely and thoroughly censored by removing them from the 2 most visible forum tabs. We've genuinely tried reaching out to you in the hopes of finding understanding and repairing this disconnect. I've stated this before and I'll say it again. We are not adversaries. [quote]I'm really conflicted at the moment. I am so grateful for the way the community have banded together to support each other and this community desire, but I'm also genuinely saddened at the stance that has been taken against us. This was a call to reason, not war.[/quote] I never wanted to write that. I hope you're listening and I hope you come back to the table. We're not asking for you to do anything you can't, we're just asking you to consider a different point of view.

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  • Finally matchmaking has been added to the community wishlist, but please be aware everyone this is not a win for the community but more of a let's add it to shut them up. Until it is actually implemented into the game we should never give up our campaign. All we have succeeded in doing here is pushing the battle forward a little bit taken over another trench, our victory will be when every player has the chance to complete all activities offered in the game without having to use 3rd party apps or Internet sites to do so.

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    • Goodnight #community, wherever you are.

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    • I just rather then work on buffing auto rifles, the new DLC or even a raid. You know? Stuff that actually matters.

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      • Getting them to acknowledge it is the first step. If matchmaking is truly desired, the community needs to keep up the fight.

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        • Bump!

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          • We got it on the wish list, in no small part due to your efforts, lost sols. Good work. Now we need to keep up the pressure, and get it from the wish list onto the to-do list!

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            • Edited by Hektik: 6/1/2015 4:32:59 PM
              Intolerance is why I refuse to search out a clan. I've joined 5 now and all 5 wasted no time to display racism, homophobia, and sexism in the group chats. Getting tired of Deej telling me to search out a method that 5 times in a row has yielded hate and intolerance. They wont do matchmaking because the community is full of trolls but they tell us to go out into the community and make friends. But aren't those the same trolls?

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              • Wow! You sir have earned an auto-like for every future post. Lost Sols for CM in actually bringing the community together in a way that DeeJ (+puppeteers) should have. You hit the nail on the head. The world we live in is intolerant enough. My love of Destiny is it's potential and everything that it could become. It is sad to see the ugly reflections of real life (as you said: fear, hatred, mistrust) take root in the game, fed and watered by Bungie's philosophy.

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                • If you were to be made a moderator I would not be surprised

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                  • Bump. I'm beyond having faith in Bungievision. The only thing that could reverse that is a real statement on the forums from the higher ups AND DeeJ. I want to know that they know they -blam!-ed up, and I want DeeJ to know he's failing as our community liaison. In the beginning I was on his side, deflecting naysayers and reminding them that this is not his fault, but the fault of his employers, and that we should criticize them. Then TDB hit. That was when they removed commenting on the weekly updates, and we have been on a downward spiral ever since. I see now that this is as much DeeJ's fault as it is Bungievision, as he makes no effort to connect with the community, instead choosing to tap out measured, robotic responses to threads, responses that only come once in a blue moon and hide from all blame as much as possible. We can't communicate AT ALL with these people, how can we see any changes? The thing that breaks my heart even more about it all is that there are those who will turn on their fellows and say "Bungie is right, the community is wrong, and we should be lucky they let us play THEIR GAME." Lucky? Tell me who would be penniless and an embarrassment if they didn't let us play "their game," white knights. We can keep pressuring them for matchmaking, weapon buffs, better PvE rewards, bug fixes, real story content, streamlined currencies, and any other thing that Bungie ignored to make their quick billion, but, at the end of the day, if they've shut us out then we have no hope.

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                    • Together we did it !!

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                      • MATCHMAKING OPTIONS WAS ADDED TO THE WISH LIST! WE DID IT GUARDIANS

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                      • Well said. I personally think that finding your own group CAN give you a more quality experience, but also that the ability to jump into a game and be paired with a group should be a given. If people want to make the game into a professional activity, that's their business .. i just want to play the game.

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                        • Bump

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                        • [i][b]Water(Guardians) Does Not Resist, Water Flows, When you Plunge your Hand into it, All you Feel is a Caress. Water is not a Solid Wall,I It will not Stop You, But Water Always Goes Where it Wants To Go(OPMM), Dripping Water Wears Away Stone(Bungivision). Remember that, My Guardians. Remember You Are Half Water. If You Can't Go Through an Obstacle(LFGsites), Go Around it(OPMM). Water Does.[/b][/i]

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                          • Omg #lovethispostbumpit

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                          • [i][b]We Can Easily Forgive Guardians Afraid of The Dark(Bungivision).The Real Tragedy in Life is When Guardians Are Afraid of the Light(OPMM).~Socrates[/b][/i]

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                          • You made a lot of good points and I agree:) I just don't want people to go afk during raid and poe because there are a lot of people who do that in the weekly

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                            • This is great. Bungie seems to think the Internet is some sterile place where all you have to do is wave your fans and everyone will suddenly become your friend. I find their philosophy because their own forums is such a cesspool of negativity that not even their imaginary rainbows and unicorns can cover it up.

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                            • Bump

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                            • This post is massive. Wow, definitely needs a TL:DR at the bottom to sum up the novel you just wrote.

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                              • [spoiler]u mad bruh[/spoiler]

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                              • That was beautiful.

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                              • bump

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