[quote]Greetings fellow Guardians,
I think a large number of you are aware at this point of the standoff that's been going on between a portion of the community and Bungie over the issue of matchmaking. If you've been on the forums the last week+, you know that I have been involved in this and have tried to reason along with hundreds of other guardians why this issue is so important to us.
I have to admit that I was pretty down yesterday. I'd posted on Bungie's stance of not only silence, but removal of posts from the Trending and Highest Rated categories... only to have them remove it too an hour later. As I told another Guardian who found theirself angry with their post removed today, censorship sucks... but when you find you're the one being censored, it is literally like a kick in the gut and it is really hard to not take it personally.
I never intended to be here writing these posts, but sometimes you end up places in life where you're given a choice. I love the game and have been a Bungie fan since '02, I don't want to be adversaries with them.
So here I am reaching out to you all again (and Bungie, if they care to listen) in one more attempt to convey that we're just trying to reach the same goal of making Destiny the best game it can be.
Thank you,
Lost Sols[/quote]
So I was thinking about all of this this morning. The mm issue, the forum censorship, the hardline stance by Bungie and the division this has caused between members of the community as well as the disconnect between us and Bungie at this point.
Yesterday was a struggle and I wasn't sure what today would bring. Then at about 5:30 this morning the supportive posts started coming in and not just from those that have been backing this cause, but new voices adding their support. That helped bouy my spirits quite a bit, but then something else happened.
These messages lit up.
[quote]Make friends scrub[/quote]
[quote]Go to computer games if you want in game matchmaking idiot.[/quote]
[quote]Wow your pretty stupid why would there be in game matchmaking were playing on consoles not PCs FYI..[/quote]
Nothing terribly over the top for the forums for sure. Muted one. Replied to the other two. One's response was "Queer". It opened my eyes and brought this whole week into focus. This isn't just about whether or not there should or shouldn't be matchmaking in Destiny, this is about showing tolerance for other people and points of view (and yes, it goes both ways).
There's no doubt LFG and clans can be great ways to meet people and experience games with them. I don't think anyone who wants matchmaking would deny that.
Something else that cannot be denied is indelibly a part of both of those avenues of meeting people is that they're both built on the foundation of not only inclusion, but exclusion as well. This isn't to draw all who use LFG or have clans under one umbrella, but a staple of both forms of grouping is intolerance, preconception and segregation.
We've all read hundreds of posts along the lines of "kicked from raid for not having Gjally", "can't get into PoE because don't have Thorn", "kicked a squeaker before loot because he was annoying", etc.
Now how many of the thousands of clans or LFG groups actually discriminate against people (gear, age, voice, gender, race, etc)? My guess is that whatever the %, it is far in the minority, but that brings us to the issue of matchmaking.
Matchmaking is inherently everything LFG is not. There is no bias, there is no prejudice going in, there is no "must be 32, have big Gjally". Matchmaking treats everyone as equals and some may argue that's for better or worse, but I can say this for a fact.
When I'm queueing for a random matchmade game, I don't care if you are old, young, black, white, Asian, straight, gay, male, female, deep voiced or a squeaker. I don't care if you're using Gjallarhorn, Dragon's Breath, Thorn, Up for Anything or any other weapon. All I care is that you try and you do your best at whatever we are trying to achieve. If you have a mic and want to talk that's great. If you just want to play and know what to do, that's great too.
The argument that is waged the most against matchmaking is that people won't have mics, they won't have the right weapons, they'll be annoying, they'll be quitters, they'll be scrubs, they'll need to be carried through...
The problem is that you don't know what someone is if you never give them a chance. When you tell someone they can't join your group because you don't like their gear or the sound of their voice, you have no idea who the person is that you are turning away. You don't know their capabilities, skill or willingness to do whatever the team needs. You're also not taking a chance to know someone that could potentially end up being a great friend.
It's a lesson that could heal so much of what is wrong in this world if we just stopped the FEAR, stopped the HATE and stopped the MISTRUST and started giving each other a chance and realizing we're all the same. We have one life on this planet to live together the best we can, to love the best we can, to make what friends we can and provide the best life and make this world the best place it can be for our families and children.
Destiny is a [i]game[/i]. If someone dies and your raid group wipes, it's not going to take food from your table, money from your pocket or draw any blood. So why get mad? Why disparage? Why not help them get better if they need it instead?
We are all here because we love playing Destiny. There will always be those that are better and those that need a helping hand. There is no greater chance of coming across someone who is just a bad person in matchmaking as there is in LFG, it's just a misconception and lie perpetuated and hidden behind so people can pick and choose whom they experience content with.
The maddening thing is that we are asking in these posts for an option to use matchmaking, so it would have no affect on those that didn't want to use it anyway.
Not everyone is going to be a social butterfly. Not everyone is going to have any extra time to go get on their computer and LFG. Not everyone HAS a computer or smartphone to team up outside the game. Not everyone wants to be friends or in a clan, they just want someone to run and experience some content with. Maybe someone isn't talking because they are deaf. Maybe they can't reach out online because they have social anxiety disorder. Maybe they don't want to try to join a clan for fear of rejection.
It doesn't matter why someone doesn't want to go outside the game to play it because that is no one's decision or right to judge but their own. Should they be punished and excluded from access to the heart of endgame play because of their reasons?
That is the question everyone, including Bungie with their "Philosophy" need to look inside and ask themselves.
Bungie.
I've saved you for last because I'm sorry, but you've been the biggest disappointment in all of this. You created this game and asked us to populate it. You created this forum and asked us to give thoughts, opinions and feedback to help improve the world of Destiny. You said...
[quote]Player feedback is one of the most important components of the conversation on Bungie.net[/quote]
[quote]Bungie thrives on feedback. Never feel like you need to stick up for us when you see someone expressing an honest opinion about our games. We’re harder on ourselves than anyone else.[/quote]
[quote]If you’d like to see new items placed on this list, start a New Topic on this Feedback board. Popular opinion matters! Topics that trend on this forum are more powerful than comments on this post.[/quote]
You told us to forge our own destiny and to become legend.
Well here we are, Bungie. We've purchased your game. We've spent thousands of hours in your world. We have fought the Fallen, Hive, Vex and Cabal. Travelled to Mars, the moon and Venus. We have fought in the Crucible and strived for success in Iron Banner. We have populated these forums. We have offered feedback and suggestions. We have started new topics and we have supported each other and posts and ideas for a better Destiny that we believe matter.
We've done everything you have asked of us and we've given and invested ourselves in this game. And here we are with a genuine concern and feeling of exclusion and we come to these forums and reach out to you in this medium you've created for us. We've been eloquent, fair and we've made genuine efforts to educate, engage, understand and find common ground and we've grown and learned more about each other all along the way.
We've poured our energy and emotions into this and in return we've been given a few stock replies, ignored and worst of all, these topics you've asked us to create, these ideas you've asked us to share, have been routinely and thoroughly censored by removing them from the 2 most visible forum tabs.
We've genuinely tried reaching out to you in the hopes of finding understanding and repairing this disconnect. I've stated this before and I'll say it again. We are not adversaries.
[quote]I'm really conflicted at the moment. I am so grateful for the way the community have banded together to support each other and this community desire, but I'm also genuinely saddened at the stance that has been taken against us. This was a call to reason, not war.[/quote]
I never wanted to write that.
I hope you're listening and I hope you come back to the table. We're not asking for you to do anything you can't, we're just asking you to consider a different point of view.
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I think this is exactly the problem, intolerence, and its not just the players its also bungee. They refuse to acknowledge our suggestions, only further agrravating the issue. I agree a hundred percent, and as a person who has experienced not being able to play ANY raids or content that does not have matchmaking. It hurts to see that. I have missed vast portions of the game, and i cant get that back. It just won't be the same even if they do add mm, i've missed the boat. VoG, Crota's end, and the high level PoE. All of it i'm missing.
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Bump. Eye-opening and sobering, yet hopeful.
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my 2nd post has been removed from trending with 16 likes bungie is being pathetic now
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Edited by XcEvilGenius: 6/1/2015 7:17:00 AM[b]....Speechless!![/b] Sounds Like words Spoken from a God! haha...you Sir are Indeed The MAN! Bravo!!! this was very well delivered. hopefully your voice along with the voice of the community will be Felt to the Soul of every Bungie Employer and Owner as much a it did to Me. :) Great Work Guardian!
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So you are claiming that Bungie took your post off the forum totally? If I were to look I would be unable to pull your previous thread up at all? Or are you claiming that they moved it out of the trending category?
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I can't find this thread on top rated nor trending, even though it has more stars and replies than the top entry in either category... Bumping to (hopefully) resurrect
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if there were political leader elections in destiny you would be the new speaker
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Forward this to Nick at Forbes magazine, he would take this up with great interest. A lot of Bungie, and Deej himself follow his articles. Putting Bungie on blast in the Media, especially before E3 will make a huge impact!
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Bump (I accidentally bumped someone else's comment, damn app)
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In all my weekly strikes that I have been match made into I have only once had an issue. And it really wasn't the player was bad. Other than that 99.9999% of the players I am matched with run the strike, and to be honest I see more teamwork there than a ROC strike. I myself have come to the idea that most that are against matchmaking are part of the elitist group. They know that if matchmaking was put in then more players would have what they have, and then they wouldn't be special anymore. Yet it is this equally that is needed in the game. If it is to survive.
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Wow, what an amazing write up and captures the spirit and compassion for this game. 😊
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Edited by evilrobobunny: 6/1/2015 12:06:07 AMWonderfully written. I'm with you 100%. Bungie doesn't have to invent anything new from the programming standpoint, matchmaking is already implemented in the game, all they need to do is to flip couple of switches. Their refusal to do this is insulting at this point. They are like a car company that made a car that requires 3 or more people to use its best features. And they know how crazy this is, this is why they added matchmaking to weekly heroic. Baffling.
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Matchmaking is the least discriminating way of finding a team. Bungie want us to struggle with ghorn and thorn, 34 discriminate scrubs
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Bump, you have given one of the best arguments so far for optional matchmaking it's just a shame that Bungie are choosing to ignore any post of this category. Ignore the trolls they are not even worth a reply, fight the cause never surrender. We really need this issue to move onto other gaming websites and news sites, forbes have already posted on the issue but no-one seems to be pointing out bungies really poor customer service. I seriously think the only way bungie will listen is if we all stand together and hit them where it hurts that means no buying comet and maybe a boycott of Destiny a gamers strike so to speak. Make them realise that we are not just faceless voices who they can take money from then just brush under the carpet.
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I need a double like button for this thread. Well said my friend. Well said!
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Bump!
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Everyone who agrees with this add me anytime I'm on I'm down to do raids, Poe, too, Ib whatever wen if I'm not going to get rewards I still have fun playing with and meeting new people bungie will never add matchmaking I'm sad to say they don't really give a crap about us they have our money I still love this game and will continue to play it
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Edited by Sergentkooter: 6/1/2015 1:50:17 AMThis America and we want matchmaking so give it to us!!!! Or else! http://youtu.be/nfK9UPEQavo