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6/1/2015 3:15:50 PM
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Well there you go, very first line kind of -blam!-s it for you. These rules that you're so proud to quote relate entirely to science fiction. Destiny is not what one would call science fiction.
It has space magic, time travelling robots and the undead to name but a few things. It would more accurately be described as "Futuristic Fantasy" sadly for you, your rules do not apply.
"Magical powers like telepathy, visions of the future or communication with the dead are not scientific and not Science Fiction, and they should not be classified as Fantasy"
That's a quote from your precious article in case you missed it ☺
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https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/composition-division
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Sorry but that doesn't work. If anything it's more applicable to your OP than anything else. Nice try though
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Wrong. I'm not the one saying that because impossible things exist, all things get a pass on being impossible. That's you, friend. As well as all of the others who have tried to use that non-argument in lieu of a valid one.
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No, instead you've assumed that as guns function as they currently do then they must always function that way which is a fallacy in itself You really need to stop posting links that work against you
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When they are directly based on existing firearms, they do. You're being deliberately obtuse.
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But they're not (for the second time) they are fantasy weapons. They don't exist. They're nor real. They employ fictional technology. They are no more based on today's guns as my lightsaber lamp is based on an actual lightsaber.
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Edited by JustOnePepsi: 6/1/2015 3:51:54 PMThey aren't fantasy just because you decided to label them fantasy in an attempt to circumvent the point. Again with that special pleading you love so much... Ice Breaker is fantasy. The Vex Mythoclast is fantasy. The Nechrochasm is fantasy. These weapons have no basis in reality. At all. None. They aren't even designed to look like feasible weapons. The rest are the antithesis of fantasy. They are designed based on modern firearms. The Hand cannons are obviously based on modern revolves, the MGs based on modern LMGs, the shotguns based on modern shotguns. This places them in the sci-fi category. You can sit there shaking your head and saying "nuh uh!" all you want, but you're wrong. Period. End of story.
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Edited by BadgermanPrime: 6/1/2015 3:55:36 PMKind of brings us back to the whole "they don't shoot bullets" thing though so yeah they're fantasy, in a fantasy world, with fantasy undead people fighting time travelling robots. The Destiny universe is not based in fact. I don't get how that is so hard for you to understand. I have a pretty good idea mind you but that's another story altogether
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Again with the special pleading... This entire topic appears to have flown over your head.
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Edited by BadgermanPrime: 6/1/2015 4:03:20 PMNot at all, just seems that you refuse to accept any argument against your own viewpoint regardless of how logical it may be. For some bizarre reason you seem to think that your opinion holds more authority and is more valid than anyone else's despite you continuously demonstrating failings that you're so quick to call other people on. Tldr: your dumb is too strong for me
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Authoritarianism implies arbitration. It's not arbitrary when it's based on fact. Your first point is also demonstrably untrue. There are several others who have had far more valid arguments than you claim to have presented, which have been accepted by myself. Basically, your arguments are not logical. When you have a logical argument, I'll accept it. Until then, no.
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My point exactly.
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Took him to school
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lol no He's just trying to shift goalposts to avoid admitting that his arguments don't apply to the topic.
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I think you're refusing to accept that what he said is a valid counter argument to what you're saying. Destiny takes place almost 900 years in the future. They have technology that doesn't exist. Look at ice breaker. It doesn't even fire real bullets. To assume weapons in the future couldnt work a totally different way would be asinine
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Ice Breaker is basically just a mag rail. Those actually exist in reality. Albeit, not portable ones, but they do exist. You're making excuses. As I said... shifting goalpoasts. Also known as special pleading. Rather than taking it at face value, you're trying to say "well it's just beyond our understanding". It's not a valid argument in the slightest.
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I'm not though. That's the thing. In 900 years, as of today, weapons in real life have become even crazier and crazier. More advanced. Another 900 years into the future technology will be even more advanced. There's a law, I forgot who named it but I says some like every ten years technology doubles in its advancements. In that sense the advancements we made in next 900 year would actually be way faster than the previous 900 years. Math is crazy
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Which doesn't take into account the fact that the weapons in question are all based (albeit loosely) on modern design principles. The implementation of those principles is what I've called into question. Not the fact that they shoot void bullets or that they're reloading with batteries or that they let you slide further. I'm pointing out a lack of consistency and logic... nothing more. Attempting to argue that by basically stating "no logic applies to this" is just creating an excuse for the illogical, rather than simply agreeing that it's illogical. Which would be so much easier...
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Edited by EL CHUNKACABRA: 6/1/2015 3:50:27 PMThey're aren't based on modern functional designs . the aesthetics yes. We make the weapons feel and look more like convential weapons. The way they actually work is not. Its advanced and different. We have to assume they've moved past the point of using gun powder which would eliminate the need for a functioning hammer system. That makes your point redundant
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So you realize that the entire point you're making is irrelevant when the topic was based specifically on the aesthetic appearance of the weapons, correct?
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So you realize you entire thread is pointless because its a video game
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Edited by JustOnePepsi: 6/1/2015 4:35:47 PMWhy is it so hard for some to accept the obvious fact that Bungie attempted to design most of the weapons in the game on real-world counterparts, and I'm simply pointing out that those weapons would not work within the confines of reality? If you don't care, that's fine. I really don't care that you don't care. But "it's just a game" is not an argument. It's an excuse... one you're using to avoid admitting that I'm correct.
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The problem with your logic is that in the game it isn't 2015. Its the future. We don't know what would work 900 years in the future. You are wrong. Sit down. Go play destiny.
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It doesn't matter that it's 900 years in the future when the weapons are shown within the game to function as a modern firearm does. The shotguns, for instance, (with few exceptions) are obviously based on modern pump-actions and function as such. Again, you're [i]making excuses[/i]. It's [i]not a valid argument[/i]. Sit down. Admit I'm correct. And then [i]you[/i] go play Destiny, because it's too boring for me at this point and I won't be joining you as this thread is more entertaining.
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By your logic, anyone who doesn't agree with you is wrong and is making excuses. These are valid counter arguments to what you are saying. You want everyone to see things from your point of view but don't want to do the same when some offers a different point kid. The shotgun has barely changed design in like 200 years. The ammunition and system used to deliver the shot are most likely different. You're assuming these guns use a standard black powder ignition system. Which is stupid to assume. Since they don't require the same things modern convential fireearms need to fire they can look and fire whatever way the person who created it want it to. If they want it to look like a revolver they can. It doesn't impact the actual functionality or mechanics of the gun. You're trying to compare apples and oranges seeing as most of the guns in game, even the hand cannons and such, simply cannot exist because the ammunition they use hasn't been created or doesn't exist. And seeing as we can't tell what the future holds we don't know if something like this would be created. Your argument is null and void.
