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Edited by MiltonTheMango:
6/4/2015 8:29:28 AM
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Why shouldn't thorn be nerfed in pvp (Resonable discussion)
Thorn is much better than every single weapon in pvp and if you believe in a balanced pvp you should want a nerf. If u don't tell me why. Please have well though out answers and no shit like 'git gud'. Be sensible
Edit: please try be constructive. I want this to be a discussion not people crying and moaning everywhere
Edit: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1L7FV9l4hXo2tHD3XlFUp854XvJIwTKFIPvASLduPPS4/htmlview?pli=1
Have a look at this
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1 ReplyI think DoT should be disabled for PvP. The overall power is pretty balanced
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7 RepliesBecause if auto rifles had a buff every single weapon class would be balanced. Thorn can already be countered by multiple exotics.
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Thorn is fine as is, but if I kill the thorn user, the dot should go away. I hate blatantly winning a gunfight only to die due to the DoT
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Constructive: yes, Thorn is powerful but has counters. It is more about Hand Cannons in general. The problem is, Bungie does a poor job addressing a balance issue. They would end up ruing all Hand Cannons, much like they did to Auto Rifles. If Auto Rifles were buffed back up a bit it would balance things out considerably. Nerfing does nothing but hurt things. Bringing the other weapons up a bit to be more in line with them would work alot better. Yes I have a Thorn but do not entirely rely on it. I also use Hawkmoon, Red Death, and Mida Multi-Tool as primaries.
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1 ReplyIt's fine, I can out gun a Thorn with my Last Word. Is it annoying being killed by the DoT of it? Yes. But you can also get people with DoT from grenades and supers so it's not that big of a deal. Just because so many people use it doesn't mean it should be nerfed. Make other weapons better because if you nerfed Thorn suddenly Last Word becomes godmode and has to be nerfed too.
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2 RepliesAs a lore enthusiast it would be the equivalent of greedo shooting first. I'm sure the victims of dredgen yor want it nerfed too. Making the burn not lethal spits in the face of the already starved story fans.
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Been killin Thorn babies all day wit my Multi-Tool bro
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I don't find it any more deadly the last rnd or luck in the chamber so no
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They need to improve other weapons not nerf any existing.
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1 ReplyI want a slight nerf, but we all know how terrible Bungie is at balance. If it gets a nerf it'll get destroyed and be unusable, most likely.
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I just think the poison shouldn't be lethal OR slight range nerf
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Idc just play the game
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14 RepliesIt shouldn't be nerfed because [b]You don't know tactics.[/b] If you played tactically, you would die by thorn much less. I know that thorn is balanced, you just die to that player [b]because they are skilled[/b]!
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1 ReplyEdited by SLASHER88BRAVO: 6/4/2015 12:05:36 AMIt's the internets; not much room for "reasonable discussion."
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I went through considerable effort to find a counter to thorn users... Ended up pulling the Vex/Mida out of my vault, it works very well, when used correctly... The rapid fire to the face technique throws their accuracy out the window... Letting me easily kill them with about 1/3 of the mag... Leaving me enough ammo to take out 2 more flankers, or anyone else grouped up with them... I still have to abandon double and triple team thorn fights, but that should be common sense... If your going to lose a fight, don't engage them...choose the fights you think you can win...and evade the rest... And do not assume because fusion rifles were re nerfed, that the Vex will not get the job done... The New legendaries from the Trials are quickly becoming a formidable force to not to be reckoned with...
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4 RepliesBecause who the -blam!- cares if it kills in two shots. Get the -blam!- over it
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2 RepliesIt's not better than TLW.
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It shouldn't be nerfed to its original stats but maybe 1 more shot to kill (like less lingering damage, etc)
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1 Reply[quote]Thorn is much better than every single weapon in pvp[/quote] There's a lot of hand cannons that can beat thorn, good luck getting head shots on me when my timurs lash hits like a train and you don't know up from down
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No, I believe that Thorn is not OP enough. This gun should make the entire team you're facing spontaneously combust when you get a hit marker on an enemy, and if that's not enough just make it so you have to make your bullet be within a few feet of the enemy to cause the combustion. This gun should be feared by all and matched by none. #Thorn4Prez
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Thorn isn't a -blam!-ing hand cannon is a damn sniper rife I can 2 hit people for across the map and kill them if that isn't OP I don't know what is
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Also- this is how I beat thorn: play REALLY aggressive. This way the effect of dot is minimized. If you retreat to cover, you'll simply keep taking damage and your shields won't recharge. Worse, the thorn user will have time to fully regen shields and then hunt you down while you are weak. It sounds risky but it's the only way.
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I think thorn is fine... It just needs to be nerfed not in a way that it will not be 2 shot anymore more, but in a way that there will be be less aim assist with the thorn. Thorn has a massive aim assist stat its not funny. The aim assist is crazy and the hitbox is massive. I don't use thorn because it makes me less of a player. True gamers will understand all this aim and hitbox stuff so if you don't that's alright :). And also it should still be 2 shot in my opinion because if it wasn't then it will just be like every other hand cannon in the game making it pointless. It just needs a few tweaks
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Ttk was just the same when ppl said it sucked. And the dot was more effective. I say TLW needs a Nerf first. Kills faster than any LMG and has perfect balance. My suggestions: Tlw- remove perfect balance and bonus ads damage Thorn- find a balance between v 1 and the current- slow reload, *slightly* reduce range, and reduce the mag size by 1. Perhaps swap perfect balance for extended mag.
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6 RepliesHOLY CRAP ENOUGH!!!! If all the guns were balanced what's the point?!!! Like think about it, what the F would the point be? Why have armor choices? Why have weapon choices? Why have class or perk choices? Instead of Destiny just call it Naked Clones. Every character looks the same! You all have the same weapon! (it's a package of mustard) There's only one map to play on!(It's a four walled gray room) Still having trouble? Don't worry, Naked Clones ups your damage output and armor every time you die by 50%! That way no one will ever get a positive or negative KD or Win Ratio, just 1.0 across the board! The only thing Destiny needs to do is make a new and harder bounty that has an even MORE insane gun as the reward.
