Ttk was just the same when ppl said it sucked. And the dot was more effective. I say TLW needs a Nerf first. Kills faster than any LMG and has perfect balance. My suggestions: Tlw- remove perfect balance and bonus ads damage Thorn- find a balance between v 1 and the current- slow reload, *slightly* reduce range, and reduce the mag size by 1. Perhaps swap perfect balance for extended mag.