[quote]There's no reason to be an asshole. And there's no excuse for having anything two-shot kill anybody in Crucible. That's ridiculous. This just sounds like somebody who doesn't want to lose an advantage for having a weapon..[/quote] Hawkmoon can 2 shot kill, the last word can 2 shot kill, any shotgun can 2 hit kill, any sniper will 2 hit kill(max). Here's the funny thing... I haven't used my thorn in ages! I prefer my vex! Can't wait for a MIDA multi-tool. You can't say that I don't want to lose an advantage because the vex has been nerfed numerous times(by itself, with autos, with fusions) bungie can't seem to figure out what it is.