I personally feel that the thorn and the last word should be kept the way they are now here's why. The thorn every single person in this entire game has an equal opportunity to get it may take others longer then some dependent upon skill. As well The Last Word is basically in every single persons vault or on one character because it's so easy to obtain. So they're so easy to get means everyone has an equal chance to use them in crucibles maybe not the guys and girls under level 20 but that's just how the game works. They both are good I agree but they can be countered each of them. There's shot guns for the close battles with tlw there's snipers for thorn or shoot with me playing as much skirmish as I do and seeing these guns a lot. The jewel of Osiris can kill both thorn and tlw users easily if you get that first shot off. I feel like if you nerf these guns it just takes away skills you gain in pvp. If you're not learning to counter things and it just becomes another cod shooter it's no fun that way. But that's just my opinion.