Aren't we all technically defenseless without our weapons?? Just saying........ Furthermore the fact that those weapons were obtained pre how isn't anyone's fault but the people that didn't get then before HoW. You can't penalize people because some people never got those guns before the skill trees were adjusted that's ridiculous. Everyone cried about the spear with final round and the felwinter sniper.... So bungie made it impossible to get those guns anymore.... Now the same people that bitched about the guns are bitching again because they can't get them anymore. Make up your damn minds about what you want!!! And finally you better believe that before the skill was taken off the skill tree I rolled my efrideets spear for final round and armor piercing, this thing is a beast!!!