[quote]Four things make the thorn a bit too much of a force to be reckoned with in the crucible. 1. One headshot takes down atleast 2/3rds of a guardians health.[/quote] So does one from Saterienne Rapier, Red Death, 3 Little Words and a hundred other weapons. [quote]2. It more then doubles the time it should take for your health to regenerate if you get hit by it.[/quote] Proof? The poison lasts maybe half a second, then health regen is normal. [quote]3. The range barely sees a falloff in damage due to the Burn damage.[/quote] The burn barely adds any damage. Of they're at range, you should be able to easily take cover when the burn effect hits your screen. [quote]4. It's a 3 body shot kill with burn where most handcannons would require three precision shots to accomplish a kill.[/quote] It's also not a particularly fast RoF weapon and three precision shots from just about anything can beat it first. Head to head Abyss Defiant can kill Thorn quicker than Thorn can kill AD. [quote]A reasonable adjustment to the thorn would be these two things. 1. Make precision shots required to have the burn damage kick in.[/quote] Do people actually die to Thorns burn that much? I'm genuinely curious because I couldn't tell you the last time I did. The effect on screen screams[i] take cover[/i]. It makes it pretty easy to avoid. [quote]2. If the thorn user dies the DoT should stop.[/quote] If Thorn didn't have the DoT, it would literally never be used because it's the only thing keeping the weapon from being complete trash.