There are so many ways to pick this post apart. As a day one player that owns and has tried every exotic/raid/event weapon to date I can say Thorn is OP compared to most weapons if not all. Saying that a Thorn has been beaten before by lesser guns does not make the gun balanced. All that says is that it is not perfect. If a terrible PvP player that can't ever get a positive k/d to save his life puts on a Thorn and suddenly becomes John mother trucking Wayne, going positive the rest of the night then it is not a balanced weapon. Many of my friends only use the Thorn or TLW for this reason alone. The guns over-powered abilities and damage output can counter a lack of skill. My problem with the Thorn doesn't come from that, it comes from how ridiculously easy it is to kill someone with it in a short amount of time. If you space out shots minutely then you can two shot almost anyone with body shots. You don't even have to aim a Thorn, just hip fire in their general direction and squeeze the trigger as fast as you can. Odds are you'll land the two to three shots you need to win before you die (or the DoT will get you a wonderful kill if you do die). This is the reason why no one like COD anymore, it makes the PvP a matter of who saw who first. Where's the fun in that? I play a lot of IB and a ton of Trials of Osiris. For reference, I have been to the lighthouse four times. I do not use exotic weapons, mostly because I like using some legendaries I consider my trophy weapons (Adepts, IB, etc.). The two guns I saw the most (not killed the most by or most noticed) were the Thorn and TLW. Why do you think this is? Because almost everyone I encountered so far just happens to have similar play styles? No. It's because they all are aware of the ease of use these guns provide. Don't get me wrong, I don't want hand cannons to be nerfed into oblivion like my poor Grim Citizen, but trying to say these exotic hand cannons aren't ruining the fun and balance of PvP is just not right. I can beat players using Thorns most of the time, it's something you have to do nowadays, It's just frustrating to run into it every time I spawn.