You're under the impression that all the battles faced against Thorn are going to be 1v1 firefights. Sure, I can wreck a single thorn with my messenger or red death, but what I can't do is take on an entire team of 3 or 6 that are all running the damn thing. Each person gets a hit and you die. 1 gets a body shot, 1 gets a headshot, one hits you with a single round from an auto rifle, dead. 1 hit with thorn and a melee? Dead. The overwhelming problem with Thorn in its current state is that EVERYONE is using it because it is TOO POWERFUL. I can assure you from playing trials earlier that 70-80% of my opponents were using Thorn. Same with Iron Banner, same with Crucible. Bungie nerfed the Suros awhile back because too many people were using it and they wanted people to broaden their horizons on PvP weapon choices, but now when for months, almost EVERYONE uses thorn, they sit back and do nothing to a gun that can kill 50% faster and with less skill/effort.