Thorn is very unbalanced, [i]the problem[/i] is if you don't use those exotics that you mentioned red death/TLW/Hawkmoon and not vex because of the recent nerf it got, then you are going to be screwed trying to go against thorn. Thorn should be a 3 shot headshot, not 2. I am not asking for thorn to be nerfed either so don't think that. I am asking for other guns, specifically auto rifles, to be buffed back to when suros was in its glory days that way each weapon type could kill just as fast. Right now bungie seems to think that only 3/4 primaries belong in PVP, auto rifles are the 1/4 and this needs to be fixed. That's the problem with thorn: it lowers weapon variety to a point where you [u]have[/u] to use those other guns to compete. If thorn was balanced a good player would be able to kill someone with thorn with a blue scout rifle, but we all know that would never happen.