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Edited by ZEROLORD:
6/8/2015 5:56:11 PM
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Hello and respect to you and your post as it must have taken some time to put thought in to it. I want to address thorn on your post as its title is about. I have a thorn and have used it to compete in the trials. It has taken me to the light house many times over. Hand cannons are not my thing and I enjoy using other guns way more like pulse rifles that are my favorite. The thorn is the only gun I have a big issue with and feel its needs a balance extremely bad. The gun can snipe you from a very long rang. I have used it to out gun snipes all the time due to I can take a body shot from a sniper and land two thorn shots that will most likely kill my target. You cant out gun thorn at any range that's the problem I think you missed by stating you can out gun it in the open with is far off from the truth. At best you will tie someone using the thorn out in the open due to the dot damage that's why you see all the rage on the forums about it. Landing one body shot followed by a head shot will down your target for sure and or hurting them by a grenade then lading one shit from the thorn will kill your tagger no matter what. This is a issue having players use the fire bolt nade or the arc bolt as well that can hit you with out it being on target. The gun need tuning bad. If they change it to where the dot and activated when lading a head shot I would be OK with the gun but having that dot just for lading anything should not be. No other gun can kill you after your target has been Killed no other at all. I use it to compete but this should not be the legacy of this game to have to do. Your feather reference is cute at best but no in anyway fact as the guns you talked about in your post are indeed over the top at one point in time. They have addressed the guns for a reason and that's cuz they were scaled way over the top. Like with fel winters they introduce two new shot guns that have the same stats instead of nerffing the gun they just put others to balance to save everyone crying they -blam!-ed up their beloved gun. They cant do that with thorn due to the dot value. The last word has issues as well and that's the fire rate and damage it dose plus the hip firing perk to go along with it is way over the top. Every gun has its place I understand that but in a player vs player environment where competition is at steak its not a working game play for anyone. Thanks for your post but we all have to see what it is and fairy tails won't cover that up.
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Thorn isn't that gnarly. People just want the game handed to them. They will complain about anything in there way. Nerf the thorn and something else will be complained about. Buff the auto rifles? Lol red death with still kill them and thorn users. I look at everyone who complains about the thorn especially when it comes to iron banner or trials and the results aren't really surprising. 1. Most aren't 34 a lot aren't 33 2. Weapon choice- over soul edict, fang, or vendor specific primary's 3. Weapon level- 300 vog gear and 331 tdb gear Now to explain 1. Iron banner and trials are level base so when you're a 31-32-33 going again 34 you're at an immediate disadvantage. 2. Some just don't understand that some weapons are made for pve and some are made for pvp. 3. Again level based. Your 300 and 331 weapons put you at a major disadvantage. Get to 34 get exotic primary's until you get etheric light to level your legendarys. Then play these level based game modes.
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I hear what your saying but the lvl gap is not the issue with the gun. The red death is the only gun that can win with the thorn due to the health regen you get when you tie a thorn. I can kill guys with the thorn no prob but the issue is after I kill them I end up dying from the dot no. People will complain no matter what I agree but this is the only gun I have a problem with other then the kill time on the last word of course. If you make a gun that will two shot you everyone will use it as we see. No skill is needed to do so. If the guy with the thorn don't get you, your so hurt by one shot that one nade or a team shot. All I'm asking is to make the dot a head shit to activate then it would be OK or have it trigger after landing 3 shots witch ever.
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Edited by Lost Sols: 6/8/2015 6:01:15 PMI appreciate your take on it. Speaking from my experience, I win way more than I lose vs Thorn in the open. As far as "sniping" with Thorn, try MIDA because even though it's a scout, it might be the best sniper rifle in the game. My whole point is just that the game isn't designed to be perfectly balanced. The great weapons generally have to be worked for to get and deserve to be great. In my opinion if Bungie want balance, they need to put all generic weapons in. If they want us to use our own, people need to use skill to compensate when outgunned sometimes. Thank you for your point of view.
