The problem is that you are trying to create an issue where there isn't one. If Thorn is so game breaking, please show me all the people who win every match and never die using it. There are at least 1-2 Thorn users on the other team in every PvP match. I would absolutely love for you to show me any evidence that shows them outperforming everyone else. You can't do it because they don't. Hell go through my opponent history in my matches and show me the Thorn domination. Show me all the 30+ kill games from Thorn. In all the PvP games I've played, I've seen someone so completely dominate that I've double checked what they were using exactly twice. Pocket Infinity and Plug One. The Plug One is the only person I've ever seen put up 40+ kills. At the end of every match, Thorn users have the same kill death stats as everyone else. Some are good, some aren't. Read whatever you'd like into my post. I don't die to Thorn much and almost never to the poison. That's not bragging, that's just facts. Everyone talks such mad shit about how great it is and I don't see it. Red Death I see. It's an absolute beast. Still up to me to try to beat them, not have Bungie beat them for me.