I hear what your saying but the lvl gap is not the issue with the gun. The red death is the only gun that can win with the thorn due to the health regen you get when you tie a thorn. I can kill guys with the thorn no prob but the issue is after I kill them I end up dying from the dot no. People will complain no matter what I agree but this is the only gun I have a problem with other then the kill time on the last word of course. If you make a gun that will two shot you everyone will use it as we see. No skill is needed to do so. If the guy with the thorn don't get you, your so hurt by one shot that one nade or a team shot. All I'm asking is to make the dot a head shit to activate then it would be OK or have it trigger after landing 3 shots witch ever.