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6/9/2015 11:53:53 AM
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It's Not That Thorn is OP, It's That There Isn't Any Effective Counter
Think about it. Did you see any complaints about Thorn or The Last Word when Auto Rifles and Fusion Rifles were usable? Suros, with the Health Regen and general all around awesomeness at the time was a PERFECT COUNTER to Thorn. Plan C could also be whipped out as a panic button to escape that 2nd headshot.
Don't nerf Thorn or Hand Cannons as a whole, restore Auto Rifles and Fusions to pre 1.1.1(or just give autos the old damage and crit modifiers). If you guys go by the same logic you used to nerf Auto Rifles(people were using them too much), then it just becomes a domino effect until every weapon type is shite.
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Who the -blam!- is necrobumping all these posts
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[spoiler]Necro?[/spoiler]
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A hand cannon should not outgun a sniper. Period. Range of the Hawkmoon and Thorn needs to be toned down. Other legendary revolvers have ok range and that's fine for their intended roles.
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1 ReplyThere is a counter, it's called learn how to move, jump when hit, shoot back with thorn , tlw, red death, or any other weapon for that matter that you can aim and shoot while jumping or sliding
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Killed a bunch of them with a 300 Vision of Confluence, and they get killed a lot on every single match so .... Yes there are a bunch of counters for Thorns.
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Sounds like a great solution to me. The other option is to nerf the Thorn and then you'll get the same problem all over again next week when scout rifles are the new dominate weapon. The solution isn't a nerf but providing a viable alternative to the rest of the weapons. Nerf's aren't going to generate a balanced gameplay.
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Couldn't have put it better myself. Auto riffles, and fusion rifles need to be buffed back to pre 1.1.1. Only then will we see balance in PvP again. Don't nerf a another motherhumping thing! All that nerf talk needs a change in perspective.
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1 ReplyRed Death owns me everytime i have my thorn.
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There are thousands of effective counters for Thorn in this game, they are called skilled players, and they can kill a Thorn user with shitty guns.
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2 Replies*cough* hawkmoon *cough* better than thorn *cough*
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3 Repliespersonally, i find that the word of crota and a couple well placed headshots .. or even the Vex for crying out loud.. make a very viable counter to the thorn.
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I agree with you basic point. Thorn isn't OP...its that the range of competitive weapons and DIRECT counters to it have been SEVERELY narrowed. But there still ARE many counters to Thorn users. However, Thorn (and other hand cannons) are simply expanding into the vacuum left by patches 1.1.1 and 1.1.2. Which broke auto-rifles and yanked the teeth from fusion rifles.
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Hell yes. Though as a side note, the scholar scout rifle from trials is really good, and ice win several battles against thorn with it
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3 RepliesEdited by TheShadow: 6/10/2015 6:07:05 AMThink about it, not many players had thorn wh en the auto rifle was around. When destiny first came out and after a good couple months i played in the crucible and rarely seen thorn being used. Now every Tom Dick and Harry has one. The reason you didnt see thorn that much is because there wasn't much void to use as there is now for the bounty. Besids all that, bungie should of kept all exotics out of crucible and worked from there to make balance in the game. As it is now its stupid to even play any crucible, and to far gone for any balance....
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The perfect counter is playing better than the person with thorn. Or is that too much to ask of the scrubs?
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[quote]Think about it. Did you see any complaints about Thorn or The Last Word when Auto Rifles and Fusion Rifles were usable? Suros, with the Health Regen and general all around awesomeness at the time was a PERFECT COUNTER to Thorn. Plan C could also be whipped out as a panic button to escape that 2nd headshot. Don't nerf Thorn or Hand Cannons as a whole, restore Auto Rifles and Fusions to pre 1.1.1(or just give autos the old damage and crit modifiers). If you guys go by the same logic you used to nerf Auto Rifles(people were using them too much), then it just becomes a domino effect until every weapon type is shite.[/quote] I like this.
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That is very good. Bring back the Auto rifle and fusion rifles. That way you won't have to Nerf thorn or hand cannons. They are my favorite type of weapons. I used to love auto rifles until the Nerf then they were not the same anymore. Look Monti Carlo, SUROS Regime, and Hard Light got hit hard my the Nerf. So bring it back please
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1 ReplyTrials of Osiris pulse rifle. Just sidestep then burst, most these thorn users spam cos they can't aim. It is a very annoying weapon the thorn but easily out shot with most pulse rifles.....and good aiming
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9 RepliesWeird, I counter Thorn users by shooting and killing them.
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4 RepliesStop Crying Get a MIDA
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5 RepliesI would love it if they made FR's a viable PvP option again - I loved rocking FR's. Learning how to feather the charge, and fire while taking corners was fun as hell. ;-) Alas, this is why the forum nerf bunnies are a problem. They saw the mid-range beastiness of an FR as a problem when they were trying to be cool and slide with their shotties. [i]"It's not fair!"[/i] they would scream. [i]"I was sliding like a boss and he still killed me!"[/i] they cried, with their salty tears steadily streaming down their face. And what did Bungie do? They cut the balls off of nearly every FR in the game, with the Vex being the exception until recently. Now all you have is 99% shotguns running the maps, even on sniping maps like Shores of Time. What really needs to happen is the nerf bunnies need to shut the hell up and learn how to play the game instead of running to mommy Bungie whenever a gun kills them in PvP. Their whining is why the Thorn is the PvP gun of choice, and if that gets nerfed, then it will merely be another gun they go off crying about (my guess is Red Death). These crucibabies will not be happy with PvP, so Bungie should just stop pandering to them.
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Red death, last word, hawkmoon. The list goes on
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Edited by SLOBBISHORCA: 6/10/2015 9:10:19 PMi think all they need to do is remove the last DoT on thorn poison and itll be fair again. other than that use red death or stop being lazy and get your own thorn. even vex at close range tares thorn apart. sounds like a bunch of unskilled whiners. Theres always gonna be a op weapon at least with thorn it takes some skill. if it didnt take skill you wouldnt hear so much bitching and they would just use thorn. the only weapons that need a buff are ARs for PvP and PvE; and FRs on the PvE side. other than that if you dont chew big red then -blam!- you!!
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4 RepliesPulse rifle and shotguns, you're welcome.
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This isn't call of duty. Nothing should be able to 2 shot you.
