You guys are taking this stuff way too serious... but seriously if you die once by a thorn in a single match okay, but if your die again just use Red Death. A good user can kill a thorn user and survive two thorn shots using red death. In steadof complaining so much figure out what the counter for whats killing you. Thorns counter is Red Death. In NF if it is solar burn are you going to run right at a Hobgoblin?