It's this entitled attitude sh*t some people in this country take on. The sad part is these weapons dropped pretty well if you grinder the banner back then. And also for sale each one of I'm not mistaken?! Mine dropped but I committed myself to getting them with no knowledge they'd be gone in future DLC drop. But people have to earn it and look at it like every gun may be gone tomorrow sort of speak. I respect people who use them bc it makes more challenging. There is a way to beat these guns and it's don't suck... Every crucible gun has dropped for me pre HOW so not sure why he didn't them...unless he didn't play