The fact you put three different poll options and not a 4rth that says anything about gettinf kills with grenades when the time is right. Not to mention you think Thorn and TLW are being bashed to much ? Obviously you're a true scrub kid. Oh and normally im a striker titan with a flashbang grenade ( 1 of these ) and i still get kills just as often or more often then when i play as my new warlock and his firebolt t(^_^t)