What I meant was some people find it complete and utter shit not that the game is complete and utter shit. Opinions aren't facts and all that jazz. Some people enjoy it, some people can see it's potential. I think it's going to be used as a cash cow. The base game is bare bones. There is hardly anything to it. I got bored quite quickly. I got TDB to see if it improved the game any and it didn't so I gave up. I didn't bother with HoW, I just traded it in. I'll never play it again, it's just not the game for me.